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    They will steal America and imprison, kill or deport anyone who they don’t like. How many steps to fascism before enough people act?

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      Well, stealing land and getting rid of people they don’t like are among the core founding values of America so this tracks.

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    One benefit of birthright citizenship is its egalitarian simplicity: The only thing most people need to prove that they’re American is a birth certificate. Those lucky enough to be born here receive equality under the law from their very first breath. Trump seeks to replace that system with a caste-based vision of national identity in which every parent must provide documentation to secure their children’s fundamental rights.

    Would it be correct to describe this as “apartheid”?

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    It looks Republicans want to just shuttle them around like they do with homeless people, rounding them up from red states, dumping them in blue states, and pretending they solved a problem.

    Fine, let’s play this game. Trump rounds up citizens he dislikes, pretends they aren’t american citizens, ships them off to other countries who then say “these aren’t our citizens so we’re shipping them back.” It’s cruel, which he’s okay with, but also expensive because they will constantly be sent back to the US to deal with, which is expensive and the costs will only grow since there is no real plan to deal with them. Costs can be used to hurt him politically.

    So what’s the point? You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away.

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      Slavery. They’ll make them work for free, as if that’s not almost the case anyway. They might make 2 more cents a day to go on top of their millions a day, so who cares?

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      You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away

      Republicans: “Hold my beer”

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    At some point the people will unify on a single point : demand the administration resign in entirety

    Until we do that and March coast to coast saying the same simple message this won’t end

    “You’re fired”

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    I was going to get rage-baited into making a “point” about reasoning and how Trump wasn’t a “native” American… but I’m resisting the engagement temptation. There is no “logic”, it’s all about gathering privileges then justifying how to prevent others from doing the same. There is no reasoning, no logic, not even ideology.

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    But the Epstein files bro, release the list and we defeat facism bro, trust me he is there it doens matter that every one already knows , talk about the lost please bro trust me bro it’s not a complete waste of time trust me bro

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    In dry bureaucratic language, the memo outlines a plan to revoke citizenship from the children of both immigrants who lack permanent legal status and many lawful residents, including visa holders, Dreamers, and asylum-seekers. It envisions intrusive federal review of parents’ papers—quite possibly in the hospital, before or shortly after birth—to gauge the newborn’s legal status. And it paves the way for people who spend their entire lives in the United States to be deported to countries in which they’ve never stepped foot, or to be condemned to the limbo of statelessness.

    I wonder how Marco Rubio feels about this. Neither of his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth in the U.S… Perhaps he’ll be deported to Cuba?

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      Logically, this combined with their insistence that they can revoke legal status means that no one’s citizenship is guaranteed. Everyone born in the US is descended from people who weren’t citizens. And those who went through a process to become citizens can apparently have that yanked away if the current administration get its way.

      If I were the next president and had to try and undo the damage these fascists are inflicting, I’d start by deporting the bastards behind this shit in all three branches of government, starting with the the Supreme Court. Maybe just drop them all off in Antarctica.

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        SO, If I’m descended from Native Americans AND Canadians, does that mean I’d get deported to Canada, or would being descended from Native people protect me from deportation even if that means I’m not “lily white”?

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        Hmmm never thought being Native American could be so advantageous till now…

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          Hope you live and work within a reservation. It are lucky enough to detour you back to one if you don’t. They’re coming for anyone that disagrees with them.

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        You are most correct. We can no longer look away from the atrocities and hope they stop. Today all decent folks must be soldiers for humanity Thank you comrade

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          And by soldier for humanity, you mean valiant protestor for representative democracy (the best kind)?

          Let’s come together and use our words. Meeting violence with violence only breeds more violence. The only way to stop violence is to ask.

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            Talking about Americans in general, not this guy personally. Who knows, maybe he’s thrown a few punches. I feel like we’d have heard about him if he had, though.

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                At this point? Absolutely. You seem to think you’re still dealing with Bush-era fascism.

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                  Does not matter if its north korean fascism. I can’t stop you but dissuading one type of protest is not a good way to help another. There will be all kinds of protest and they do aid each other at the least by spreading out government forces. I did not protest during the bush era so it has to be this record breaking level to get the levels we saw with no kings and will see this weekend.

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    Wait… I thought these morons said life begins at conception. Shouldn’t citizenship be determined at that time, then?

    They can’t even get their own story straight.

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      Life begins at the moment of insertion.

      Citizenship begins when your skin passes the paint swatch test.

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      If not for double standards, Republicans would have no standards at all.

      The hypocrisy is baked into their ideology. They don’t need to be consistent, it is all about “winning” to them. Words mean nothing, except as a method to “win”.

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          I don’t know what any of that that means, but I was paraphrasing Sartre:

          Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

          By “anti-Semites” Sartre is of course referring to the Nazis and their sympathisers (it was written in 1944).

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          I feel like that’s giving them too much credit, The demons in Frieren aren’t immoral they’re just ammoral, they straight up don’t have a concept of morality or empathy except from an external point of view as this strange human behaviour they can manipulate. Fascist on the other than are human and do understand morality and empathy and then choose to ignore and weaponize them anyway, they have so much more malice than a fictional demon.

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    With this all out attack on American Citizens. It makes me wonder, if we’re their enemy, who are their allies? And also why aren’t more Heritage Foundation buildings and Republican Offices on fire?

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      Because the people that hate republicans are usually moral people and wreaking havoc and mayhem isn’t something we usually do.

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      Their allies? White Racists, neo-Nazis, everyone who wants a dictatorship and the Russians. All of them are worthless shits.

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      Hmm who has well documented ties to this administration and would be happy with the downfall of America as a world power? This is one I’ll have to Putin the ol’ think tank for a while

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      Their allies are white white supremacists who don’t consider you people and because Americans have a severe case of invertebrate-osis respectively.

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      Well, ask yourself. Why haven’t you done any of these things you’re asking.

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        Did you ask yourself why I would post those activities on a public forum first?

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          The courage of your convictions, a call to action for others, leading by example.

          There are many reasons you might decide to.

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            Look, you seem to be Australian. If you’d like to join 50501 and dive from there I won’t stop you. But I get it. You are urging me because I am here. Believe me, there is preparation and movement, Portland is steeped in madness they are resisting so hard, we started late in all states, but its there. Far more than any socials, including Lemmy, show.

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              I’m not urging you to do shit, tbh.

              But I’m tired of all the hand-wringing from people who are waiting for “someone else” to do something.

              I’m sorry I didn’t realise you’ve already torched a dozen wasps nests I didn’t know about.

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                You dont even live here. Go hand wring about your laws that allowed Collective Shout to fuck adult games the planet over.