The development comes after a presentation to the International Olympic Committee by its medical chief, which highlighted the potential physical advantages of competing in women’s sport after being born male.
To give everyone some perspective on the BS behind these transphobic bans: professional darts and professional chess both have trans bans. It’s never been about fairness in sports
Why should chess and darts be treated differently? There’s evidence that males have an advantage in darts:
https://www.mdx.ac.uk/news/2023/2/linda-duffy-darts-psychology/
Given how many sports that males have an advantage in, it certainly seems reasonable to have sex-based competitions as the default.
They should also ban tall people from playing basketball. They have a potential physical advantage over short people.
No, they should get rid of men/women split and divide people into tiers. Each athlete would be assigned to tier based on his performance and we would have gold, silver and bronze medals in each tier. We would then say “Phelps won a Tier A gold medal in the Olympics” or “Williams won Tier D gold medal”. This way it would be 100% fair and non-discriminatory.
… its not the same at all. And no I won’t explain all the reasons why.
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Tall people were born tall.
The tallest baby ever born was 28 inches tall. That’s 2’4”.
I’m not tall, but I’m taller than that.
I put it to you that babies are born short and grow over time.
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That’s a pedantic argument.
if they got surgery to reduce their size would you be okay with it?
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So the effort trans women put in to compete doesn’t count for anything, people just decide to transition to win sporting events, and trans women are men with a different body. Wow, you really hit the trifecta of shit takes.
Wow, those are quite the arguments I put forward in your head. I notice that you didn’t adress any of my questions about fairnes.
If you want to have a conversation please answer my questions. If you just want to hiss and spit I’ll take a pass.
There are no legitimate questions about the fairness of it:
https://www.genderjustice.us/commentary/trans-athletes-are-not-the-real-threat/
“In fact, after hormone therapy, trans women’s performance aligns with cisgender women’s performance.”
The key bit there being “hormone therapy”.
Your notion that men choose to compete as women so they can dominate is absolute, complete, 100% transphobic bullshit.
That’s not the way ANY of this works.
The real question to ask is why Republicans want to ban hormone therapy.
Sorry, it’s not worth having baby’s first “what is a trans person” conversation with you, which would be clearly needed before delving into the nitty gritty. Take that pass! Go somewhere else.
I’ve probably had trans friends since before you were born. Don’t lecture me.
You don’t want to have the discussion of fairness because it’s hard and chanting slogans, organizing boycots, and labelling anyone who doesn’t agree with the group thought a transphobe is easy.
If you want to have a converation, I’m here. If you just want to hiss and spit, I’ll pass.
Dont try and speak logically about this
The Olympic committee has had well established rules on transgender athletes for decades. This change is ridiculous. They might as well go back to chromosomal testing for athletes. It makes as much sense as this nonsense
The Olympic committee has had well established rules on transgender athletes for decades
What are they? The article says “leaving it for each sport to decide themselves.” which doesn’t sound consistent.
I’m not sure but I will comment anyway.
I believe each sport’s federation has rules they decide themselves and those are normally used but sometimes the Olympic Committee will ban a federation because of corruption or some mismanagement and take over organization of those specific events. They did it with boxing in the previous Olympics for example. When they do it they have to decide which rules will apply and looks like now they decided the default rules for all sports that fall under their jurisdiction. Last time with boxing they decided to use the same rules that were used 4 years earlier which meant some previously banned athletes where allowed to compete and a lot of participants complained.
Hmm. “Established” is factually correct but I’m not sure “well established” is a good description.
This is just an excuse to attack trans people under the guise of fairness. It’s horrible
*This is an excuse for the Seven Mountain Mandate to “save people who wouldn’t otherwise understand from hellfire”.
“Under the guise of fairness”
Geezus good lordy. No one can even try to be fair anymore lest they be judged as being “homophobic”…
yall suck…
Fuck the Olympics. It’s corrupt, it’s full of cheaters and gamblers, and now more bigotry.
Weird how it’s only about trans women and never trans men.
I don’t think it’s that weird. The men’s competitions don’t forbid anyone from competing if they can qualify. Cis women are allowed, and in some cases have competed in men’s sports, such as hockey. Men’s divisions should more properly be called “open” divisions.
Don’t (most) transmen inject/otherwise take testosterone? That would be doping if a cis man did it. So I do think there’s an argument there (not really any better than the argument against transwomen in women’s sports, in both cases imo hormone levels just need to be monitored and you can have pretty much equal competition).
I also think at the top level it’s not entirely invalid to say you don’t want people with heavily modified bodies competing. Anything that isn’t either the global top level or professional I find it completely ridiculous though, the level is just so wildly variant that any tiny advantage potentially gained from that is negligible anyway.
But also everything I know about the science behind it tells me trans athletes are completely fine (in trans womens case after some minimum time or HRT) because as it turns out hormones kinda determine everything about your body.
The range matters. If you’re taking T prescribed by your doctor to get within the normal range for your gender (regardless of reason, whether you’re trans or if you have T deficiency as a cis man) then you won’t be barred from competition.
Where you cross the line is when you inject T to go above the normal range in order to build muscle and recover faster. That’s what’s considered doping and doctors can’t ethically prescribe that.
I see … Although they are not called that, are they. So now you’re accusing the organizers of basic incompetence or dishonesty. Which is it? … And if either of those is accurate, it raises other questions, too.
No, you’re putting words into my mouth. I never accused them of basic incompetence.
Women’s sports have rules that say (some variation of) “you must be a woman to join.” Men’s sports don’t have any rules like that. Women play in lower level men’s sports all the time. They just don’t make it to the top level.
now you’re accusing
Putting words in people’s mouths is an extremely immature debate tactic, don’t expect anyone to respect you or take you seriously doing that.
I think they’re incompetent at choosing the correct word and would like to understand what this implies.
They’ll just force them to compete against women, then when a trans man wins, it’ll be sold as “man pretending to be woman steals medals from women”, then extend the whole trans ban.
Sometimes it’s trans men, too. https://thetyee.ca/News/2025/11/10/Changed-Rules-Shut-Trans-Bodybuilder-Out-Competition/
Its weird? Really?
No… come on man, im sure you can figure this one out… youre playing dumb anyway.
Welp, time for the Queer Olympics to become a thing again.
A competition of the fastest, strongest, sweatiest gays…
In the greek tradition we will bring back the kynodesme.
So uh… if you’re like me and don’t know what this is: If you do decide to google it, don’t open the wikipedia page on your work laptop…
Zero downsides
Do trans women keep placing number 1 during competition?
No, but there was that fuss last year at the Olympics because some of the boxers looked manly. They weren’t even trans, incidentally, not that that little fact ever made the headlines or the Facebook groups.
You’re right, thats a very important factor to consider. We shouldnt worry about it until they start consistently placing in first place. Thats when flags will/should be raised.
Who fucking cares about this irrelevant pissing contest anymore. It’s all politics and doping scandals, what does the undercarriage have to do with ANY of that? Why would anyone even aspire to even compete in this in today’s world.
Public schooled?
Careful, your prejudice might be showing. It’d be awfully embarassing for people to find out how terribly simplistic the paradigms are with which you’re evaluating worthiness of your peers.
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…prejudged them on there subpar education
Very funny to use the wrong homophone in your weird cringey diatribe about how much smarter and more educated you are than everyone else
Even the reporting is biased; trans women aren’t born male.
What? I’m confused. Are you talking about how not all trans women are born males, that we have been women all along, or is this some new grammar I’m missing?
I’m saying trans women are women. They might be born with xy chromosomes most of the time, or they might be born with a functioning penis and testes most of the time, but they are still women.
It’s why we say “assigned male at birth” instead of “born male”.
Edit: I’ll clarify this even further by reminding everyone that being trans is not a choice, and most – if not all – of the current science shows that being trans is the result of fetal developmental changes of the brain in the womb.
Oh, thank you for clarifying. I did not notice that little bit. You are right though. That shit gets so suttle sometimes. Amab not “born male.” I honestly wouldn’t have caught that. Well, i didn’t haha.
It can be subtle and nuanced for sure! Some people probably thought my comment was ignorant or transphobic.
It definitely made me have to stop and ask. I’m glad i did. Thanks for being an awesome internet person 😊
What!?
Well well well, so much for being inclusive. Fucking pricks
Sooo…
-Trans athletes form their own leagues. -Other athletes start competing because they go where the competition is and/or ideological reasons. -Olympics slowly become irrelevant.
Good job, Olympics.
I will remind everyone that as of 2023, about 3% of 18-24 yr olds identified as transgender. That’s a lot of people, and that percentage is only going to go up.
That sounds super duper likely
Well, I personally consider that great news that I can agree with… sorry if you dont feel the same.
You should want to abolish the premise of womens sports that’s progressive, otherwise you are admitting women should be in leagues of their own.
Watch them ban transgender women and clowns like JK Rowling STILL accuse cis women in the Olympics of being trans
I mean they still say that about Imane Khelif so
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Lmao is that just some dude’s blog? Your accredited lab is bullshit, your blogger here literally spouts a bunch of hearsay and conjecture what about a clarification from the IOC implies, then has the gall to throw out the phrase “facts are facts.”
Also I love this: “3 Wire Sports remains the only journalistic outlet to have seen these 2022 and 2023 tests.” Holy shit lol.
But yeah, sure thing, whatever you say sweetie
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Fun meme. But where is your proof otherwise?
Says the girl giving random-ass blog as proof
It’s easy to dismiss that as a “random-ass blog” because you’re engaging in motivated reasoning, but it’s certainly not the only evidence:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/20/imane-khelif-medical-records/
Again, you have nothing. It’s fun to argue and all, but I’ll remind anyone reading this that until evidence of Khelif being female is presented, any other response is sophistry meant to distract you.
Did you even read your own link?
The screenshots shown in Ait Aoudia’s reporting are unverified. Snopes reached out to the doctors and hospitals associated with the alleged reports. They either did not respond or would not, as a matter of policy, confirm their authenticity or if Khelif was ever a patient of theirs. Ait Aoudia did not provide Snopes with any details of his source(s).
Even if the reports published by Ait Aoudia are authentic, however, the alleged findings have been misrepresented. If true, they would not conclusively prove that Khelif “is a man.” Instead, as Snopes explains here, they would highlight the reality that, from a scientific standpoint, gender is not actually as binary as some suggest it to be.
So yeah, go fuck yourself with a cactus.
In case this asshat deletes her comment, this was the link given as ‘evidence’
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/20/imane-khelif-medical-records/
you don’t have evidence! your shady blogs and discredited idiots are more like negative evidence! i mean, babygirl, did you read that snopes article? cuz i promise it doesn’t support what youre saying
key excerpts you must have missed, surely by accident:
The screenshots shown in Ait Aoudia’s reporting are unverified. Snopes reached out to the doctors and hospitals associated with the alleged reports. They either did not respond or would not, as a matter of policy, confirm their authenticity or if Khelif was ever a patient of theirs. Ait Aoudia did not provide Snopes with any details of his source
and
Even if the reports published by Ait Aoudia are authentic, however, the alleged findings have been misrepresented
those are almost at the top of the article!
so first i think you should ask someone to read this to you, then ask them to also read the rest of the snopes article, where it talks about the sex spectrum and intersexuality. none of which is in the article because it applies to khelif, but only to the nonsense brainless idiots spout. if you actually read the article you linked, you might realize that if someone was born with the corresponding genitalia, they might just be that sex, regardless of hormone levels or whatever genetic bullshit people wanna pretend applies to khelif so they can fantasize about azalia amineva still being undefeated.
i know youre a lost cause, but to anyone else who reads this thread, please remember: this is even dumber because even though none of it applies to khelif anyway, trans and intersex people are still fucking people and should be allowed to compete. not in their own league. theyre not undesireables. theyre not diseased. just let people play their games!
That’s a terrible link. There’s no evidence there whatsoever.
Khelif is a woman.
It’s easy to use motivated reasoning to dismiss things you don’t want to be true. Why do you think Khelif is a woman?
I don’t know. Perhaps I’ll start with the fact it’s highly unlikely a Muslim country would allow a trans male to represent them in boxing at the Olympics?
How about you pass that bar first?
Khelif was incorrectly assigned female at birth and is not trans. Many people with male DSDs like that don’t find that they’re not female until puberty
is not trans
Correct. She’s a woman. That’s why her country allowed her to box as one.
Go die in a fire.
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