Hey now, a church that has a morality! What will they think of next?
This will upset the godless evangelicals in Congress.
Most evangelicals consider the PCUSA to be no better than liberal heretics who “aren’t true Christians” and functionally the same as Unitarians.
Now?
Winds are shifting
Isn’t Trump’s family originally Presbyterian?
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His mom was (she was from Scotland where the national church is Presbyterian) and she took him to a PCUSA church in Queens while he was growing up. Whereas his dad having German background was a Lutheran. In a 2020 interview he said he had swapped to be non-denominational Christian now though.
Wow, an American church standing up for what’s right instead of what’s Republican?!
I did not have that on my bingo card for this century. Well done them.
PCUSA and other mainline Protestant churches (ex. United Methodists, Evangelical Lutherans, Episcopalians, United Church of Christ etc.) are fairly resistlib coded and have protested or rebuked Trump and his policies many many times through his presidencies. It comes at a cost because they’ve been hemorrhaging conservative leaning people offended by their positions on immigration abortion social justice etc. to conservative alternatives (ex. PCA rather than PCUSA) or to new and growing churches in the “Evangelical” movement, and don’t get replaced because people more on the left are more likely leave the faith entirely than to go to a left-leaning church. But they still do protests and whatnot anyway, you just don’t hear much of them because their share of the population is much lower and less loud than the very vocal Evangelical section.
Does you use of “ex.” above mean “example” or “except”?
As an example is what I intended, as there are other right-leaning Presbyterian alternatives than PCA such as Orthodox Presbyterian Church and Bible Presbyterian Church and so on so forth so I didn’t want to spell out PCA as the only one.
Gotcha. Might I recommend using “e.g.” instead to avoid confusion in the future?
Will consider for the future but in all honesty probably forget
There’s a lot of denominations under the “Presbyterian” name. Some of them are typical conservatives, but others are progressive, marrying gay couples and ordaining women and openly gay pastors.
Fuck yeah. I can’t remember what the presbetarians are about specifically. But we often forget that near half of christians are not pieces of shit, even as they may not understand the world completely.
The Evangelicals and Calvinists are giving every protestant a bad name. What with the whole cheering on drowning the world in lakes of blood and fire talk.
We were Methodists, but the Presby church was closer, so we went there. I couldn’t tell the difference, but I’m sure there are those that would knife fight to the death over that blasphemy.
I also had a girlfriend who was Lutheran, and I went there a few times, and it was more of the same. I was disappointed, somehow I expected something more exotic.
It seems to me there are a bunch of more or less generic Christian-Lite religions, and you can take your pick.
That was all back when I was a teenager, I stopped wasting any time in a church after that. As a musician, I have collected a bunch of hymnals from different branches, mostly for scholarly reference. There is a lot of overlap, but also a lot of hymns unique to each branch. They only cost about $5 on eBay.
The evangelicals are fucking nutjobs that blindly believe a <200 year old reinterpretation by a guy who was essentially a grifter. There’s been a massive evangelical push recently where they’re proselytizing their faith.
Who is this 200 year old grifter? I am unfamiliar. I do remember a douchebag that championed the end of o the world and gave a date, and it passed, and he made another date, which passed, but the faithful never abandoned his bullshit.
I think that was in the 19th century though. I know in the 1830’s, then in the 1850’s or so, there was an explosion of these guys, the so called great awakenings.
US Evangelicalism is a <200 year old interpretation of the bible (the great reawakening). Then in the early 1900s is when others popularized and commercialized evangelicalism with the second great awakening (billy graham, carl Henry - grifters in their own right).
Then there’s the douche grifter that I’m talking about, Schofield.
His notes and interpretations on the bible are basically what inform evangelical teachings and disseminations today - essentially end of the world interpretation, support of Israel, full fledged conservatism, death cult shit. Not to mention he was a confederate cunt.
Yeah before that Christianity was not really all about the end of the world. They were more of a progressive element to keep the state in check.
Presbyterian are rich baptist generally. Pretty sure they’re Calvinists and evangelical too. They are one of the older churches in America.
Landed Gentry very rooted in the establishment. Is my take. I don’t know if there’s a geographic element or not.
Presbyterians are Scottish Calvinism not Baptists. They can be evangelical depending on which umbrella organization they are under. PC-USA is not though. Prebyterians do tend to be more old-money though.
And 3, 2, 1, Presbyterians are no longer christian as per hegseth.
Apparently this represents ~0.9% of the U.S. population:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_United_States
Almost 1 in every 100? That’s not terrible!
Don’t be deceived, this church is a “face” church, and provides a mask of sensibility and veneer of respectability for the Christian faith.
In reality, they’re fleecing their parishioners just like every other, and making a bloody fortune on it. They should at least be forced to pay taxes like the rest of us.
If you want to see their true face, look at what they are doing in Uganda, for just one example.
You can agree with their position without approving of the organization. Not everything needs to be a purity test.
Can you point out or link for us what specifically PCUSA (and not some other conservative denomination) is doing that is bad in Uganda?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_in_Uganda
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord’s_Resistance_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2023
You can start here. I stopped investigating once I saw video of “witches” being burned alive. I won’t provide a link to that.
Can you point out or link for us what specifically PCUSA (and not some other conservative denomination) is doing that is bad in Uganda?
Provides links to completely different denominations.
PCA is the Presbyterian denomination associated with the Ugandan Presbyterian Church via the World Reformed Fellowship. PCUSA is apart of the the World Communion of Reformed Churches. As with all religions in the US, all that matters is if they are Evangelical or Liberal.
That’s not PCUSA doing that? They’re not even in the same organization with each other. PCUSA is a part of the World Communion of Reformed Fellowships while that Uganda church you linked is with churches more like PCA in the competing far more conservative World Reformed Fellowship.
edit: for the other links, the Lord’s Resistance Army seems to be some religious mishmash that doesn’t even seem to be affiliated with any established denomination, like they’re not even claiming to be any kind of Presbyterian conservative or otherwise? And on the anti-Homosexuality Act that is opposed by PCUSA on their own website.
https://pcusa.org/sites/default/files/TheGlobalCrisisforPeopleWhoAreLGBTandTheirFamilies.pdf
https://pcusa.org/news-storytelling/news/2021/6/17/refugee-and-lgbtqia-lives-intersect-every-day
Was that even real, though? No link = no evidence…
I responded with links, where are yours? I guess you have no evidence. I’ve added a couple more, enjoy
Okay, I see them, thanks. As for my end, evidence is put forth for claims, not for the absence of a claim… What you’re doing is trying to call out someone for having no evidence against Russell’s teapot; how silly is that?
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