Overall, weak-willed centrists are slowly losing the intraparty debate.
Hold the line, and have faith. We are in this together, and we will get through this together.
Centralists are just embarrassed conservatives.
If people wanted to negotiate my rights for being a woman, it would be called sexist. But since I’m trans and nonbinary, most people don’t give a shit.
Fuck that shit. They’re not interested in negotiating. They just want you to feel better about being squeezed in to the box they’ve picked out for you.
Be ungovernable.
I’m sick and tired of people telling me that my rights as a trans woman are somehow in conflict with cis women’s rights. I’m sick of being told that I need to accept being excluded from women’s spaces. That they will support me if I agree that I’m not “really a woman”
It’s bullfuck, I’m getting told “Oh just admit you’re a man and never attempt to label yourself a woman by any metric for any reason ever, and we’ll let you wear a dress, in private of course, we don’t want you giving kids ideas.”
There is no middle position on human rights. If you aren’t for them, you are against them.
Their are valid criticisms of “human rights”, and legitimate reasons to reject the concept. The biggest reason is the concept of ‘human rights’ is just a re-tread of the ‘rights of kings’, that is a justification for State violence.
When the cops crack your skull, they’re protecting property rights. When the US invaded Iraq, Bush said we were protecting the freedom and human rights of Iraqi citizens. The invasion of Ukraine was justified as protecting the rights of ethnic Russians living in Ukraine.
The idea that “human rights” protect human beings is pretty dubious.
Well that took a wild turn.
Human rights supercede property rights, the rights of kings, and whatever other crazy nonsense you went on about after that.
The rights of people to thrive in their natural environment shall not be put down upon by any other party so long as they do not inflict themselves upon the rights of others. Specifically, if a person’s existence is a problem for you, that’s a problem for you. Not them.
Those with the power and authority to do violence will always impede upon the rights of others in pursuit of wealth. It’s our right to do violence back.
When the cops crack your skull, they’re protecting property rights.
I’m sorry, when did property rights become human rights?
When the US invaded Iraq, Bush said we were protecting the freedom and human rights of Iraqi citizens.
- No he didn’t,
- There is literally no principle that people haven’t used as casus belli for war. That doesn’t mean those principles are wrong, or that the justification even makes sense. You may as well be declaring that since people still commit murder when it’s illegal, there’s no point to having laws.
None of your examples actually have anything to do with human rights. At best they’re using the concept in bad faith as a shield for imperialism and genocide, and that’s what you should be critical of.
That is a patently false and incorrect understanding. Human Rights is conceptually antithetical to the right of kings.
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
Your best argument is fundamentally semantical and based on etymology that never happened.
The invasion of Ukraine was justified as protecting the rights of ethnic Russians living in Ukraine.
Trans rights are human rights
Human rights are non negotiable
And some Democrats are listening. California Governor (and possible presidential candidate) Gavin Newsom has had several stabs at “moderating” on trans rights.
Daily reminder, ‘28 Democratic primary voters: if he does it to us, he’ll do it to you
I was coming around on Gavin, but then he came out against protecting doctors accused of helping trans people.
Yup, primary the centrists and make sure you vote in every Democratic primary. It’s slowly changing like the author here points out, just got to keep it going to get rid of their influence.
OMG if Americans could just line up a democratic challenger for every single electoral race… that would be FANTASTIC!
Every time an incumbent democrat runs unchallenged it tells them they’ve won the democrat vote and directly incentivizes them to focus on winning republican voters.
I think for a healthy Democracy and a healthy party, that should be the case, even for progressives when they win. If someone wants to challenge it should be welcomed and not shunned and worked against by the party.
Unfortunately it’s not something that this current centrist party leadership will entertain.
this current centrist party leadership
You mean the incumbents? Yea of course they don’t want primary challengers. It’s always been the voter’s responsibility to make that happen.
No, I’m referring to DNC leadership.
https://prospect.org/2024/06/18/2024-06-18-former-dccc-leaders-incumbent-house-democrats/
Real centrists will say that those medical procedures are nothing of government’s concern and shouldn’t be moderated at all.
No such thing as a good “real centrist”.
Then I think we need to make one because unfortunately there are a lot of people in this country who strongly identify with that aesthetic. I run into people constantly who are “I’m not into politics, but I know there’s liars and idiots on both sides, and we really just need to settle down and have a conversation and agree on common sense stuff, like giving the military hundred of millions of dollars and subsidizing oil refineries and criminalizing homelessness.” I think you could get these people to just as easily say “common sense stuff, like universal healthcare and safe injection sites and supporting the International Criminal Court,” but they need a boring ass normie from the suburbs to tell them that’s “normal.”
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Centrism doesn’t have tenants or foundational principles beyond being moderate. The notion that centrism can be a launching point for any position is just grifter propaganda. Being a centrist is a tacit admission that one doesn’t hold positions based on their individual merits but by their relative acceptance. It’s called the Golden Mean Fallacy but I prefer “4D Group Think”.
Real Centrists are people like Tim Pool, Bill Maher, Cenk Uyger, etc.
You’d lump Tim Pool as a centrist? I certainly wouldn’t.
You have to understand, I consider all centrists closeted right wingers(grifters) or libertarian-adjacent levels of ignorant. In Tim Pools case he’s both. Bill Maher isn’t ignorant he’s just a right wing grifter.
Centrism is fundamentally about pleasing as many people as possible. The grifters gospel.
It doesn’t have tenants or principles with which you can qualify someone based on their stances because the stances of a centrist are fundamentally populist in nature.
Bill Maher is closet MAGA, I don’t know who he thinks he’s fooling.
I don’t disagree with your assessment of centrists, but I think you mean tenets, not tenants.
I would make cautious alliance with someone if that was their principle.
Ah, no true Scottsman I see.
Well that’s true, though, right?
If you call yourself a centrist, but then support an interventionist policy that makes trans healthcare more difficult… you’re probably just wrong about being a centrist.
The same applies the other way. If you support governmental protections for trans healthcare (broadly), and enshrining basic protections across state lines, you’re, again, not a centrist.
The difference is that the latter group isn’t ashamed, so they aren’t hiding their opinions for the sake of being less controversial. We’re proudly supporting our trans friends because good people don’t take the middle ground when one side wants to e.g. prosecute their friends’ doctors for providing healthcare across state lines.
If this was a discussion about what a centrist is, sure we could take that at face value and say a “real centrist is…”.
In terms of this discussion of the author’s opinions on the Democrats that call themselves centrist and their actions, no.
A funny admission that centrists do not exist in this comment.
100%
The only centrists are Right Wingers who learn that if they admit to being Republican they won’t get laid.
I mean that’s kinda my position lol. But I identify as a libertarian leftist, not a centrist.
Maybe I would be at the center of a more sane politics.
There isn’t centrism in the USA. Every Democrat is better than every Republican. Even Fetterman, who has literal brain damage, only voted to confirm 11 of 22 Trump cabinet appointees. The most that a Republican opposed is 3, which was Mitch McConnell.
Every Democrat is better than every Republican. Remember that.
Centrism is those cowards politicians who are afraid of offending the left and the right. Most democrats are like that centrists who bow down to the Republican fascists
When better is the difference between “the government oppresses me” vs “the government oppresses me and does a bunch of other terrible stuff too” you can’t expect that difference to matter anymore for that voter.
The government pays for tens of millions of peoples’ healthcare and kept 4.5 million children around the world from starvation, before. It did so by taxing the rich, who are currently so powerful that they built their own surveillance states and monopolies with which to oppress you on the same scale as a communist dictatorship did in the past.
There have been 48 or less DNC senators for over 13 years and during that time we’ve backslid down the democracy index.
The DNC is progressive.
Unpopular opinion: focusing so much just on trans rights while alienating everyone else leads to fascists who will actively kill them.
It’s no different than the dumbass Gaza bros who are deathly silent now that Gaza is a fucking crater due to their vote.
Wrong, a typical American voter only votes based on their pocketbook and their desire for immediate gratification. Most don’t care whether you champion social justice, just as long as they have their cheap consumer goods and distractions. Americans want leaders who support affordable first-world consumption habits. They only want to deal with first world problems. So it never hurts to champion social justice.
People would elect a bald trans female president if their 401ks were maxed out from the sale of nuclear arms to Israel.
Throwing vulnerable groups under the bus is a really stupid election strategy. You’re losing the social justice vote without gaining anything in return.
