(Shamelessly stealing this image from some crackpot carnivore diet community elsewhere on the lemmyverse, with which I have never once interacted, but noticed I have been banned from. Lulz.)
For the British: the things shown in the picture are spices. You add them to food to make it have taste.
And, sugar is not a spice.
What about beans?
Beans are the protein.
Nah, main ingredient.
Regardless of your take on the ethics of meat, this argument is nonsensical from either side.
Mixtures of things have different effects than their component parts.
It’s like saying if the hot chocolate just tastes like the cocoa powder, why don’t I just eat the cocoa powder?
Because the texture and nature of the water give it a property too.
I think they were trying to make an equivalent argument to the questions around the existence of plant-based “meats”. That line of reasoning usually goes “why create a meat-like ‘concoction’ from plants rather than just eating delicious plant products themselves? Why do we need products resembling meat? Just eat a plant-based diet.”
I understand now that these products aren’t for me, and aren’t necessarily for those who are comfortable working directly with plants in the kitchen. They also provide an easy off-ramp from a more meat-heavy diet. Beyond Burgers are akin to vapes for those struggling to eat less meat. They have their place.
Sure we can judge things by the sum of their parts. Like how no matter how well prepared any meal is, no matter how divine it’s mouthfeel, I am unable to take pleasure in the consumption of a food that I know is the result of immense animal suffering. That is what animal products are made of too. They are also made of human suffering from the workers who are all but forced into working in slaughterhouses, an occupation well known for causing ptsd in its workers. I also derive no pleasure in knowing that animal overconsumption is one of the primary drivers of heart disease - the number one killer in most western countries, something which is completely preventable in 99% of people.
Animal products are also made of wanton environmental destruction, as well as being a massive zoonotic disease vector.
So why stop there? Please take your analysis even further.
I’m very specifically not getting into this argument. Everything you just said is completely right.
All I’m saying is this particular argument about taste and flavors is the worst possible one to make because it’s demonstrably illogical.
Heh, sorry about the soapboxing. I kind of lost the plot there. Yea, so it’s like others have said, that’s the joke. It’s making fun of the people who bitch about plant-based foods trying to mimic animal-based ones.
Vegetarians and vegans just hate plants more than they love animals.
It’s the mineral eaters you really need to keep your eye on.
Yeah, they’re very salty.
As a kid I used to eat handfuls of salt, probably lucky I didn’t die of sodium poisoning.
Clearly you are making this argument in seriousness and good faith, so excuse me while I spend a couple of nights and more paragraphs than anyone will read to fully articulate my carefully crafted rebuttal.
Umm, akshually, since animals eat so many plants, eating meat is the far more effective move for plant haters.
It’s crazy how many people got hurt by a meme in shitpost community.
Good job OP!
*Takes a bow*
Seeing as I eat both, is fine
This reminds me of a controversy among the carnivore diet community, where someone got smeared as a “vegan” for seasoning his meat, and really liking chili peppers.
Imagine how warped your mind has to be, to find spices and plants controversial.
“But look at these AI generated fat people eating chips, which is made out of potatoes, therefore it’s vegan!” - many of the carnivore diet grifters
I don’t think you have to find an AI picture of a fat person eating chips.
Because carnivore grifters are right wingers, and the right loves AI slop. The carnivore grift is not for health, but a political movement.
The only plant I put on a steak is a little black pepper. I put more rocks (salt) on it than plants.
Garlic, soy sauce, salt. Usually on a london broil, but that steak is SO good.
I marinate cheap flat iron cuts in a mix of ginger, garlic, soy sauce, vinegar, olive oil, and a tiny bit of toasted sesame oil. Better than anything I’ve gotten for a premium at a restaurant.
Theres another recipe i have for hunan beef. Involves vinegar, soy sauce, oyster sauce, taco sauce, honey, beef stock and corn starch for the sauce. It tastes amazing.
Pain to make though
Beef steak’s proper function is as a delivery system for chimmichurri, since it’s gauche to just drink it straight.
I would even suggest an actual pepper steak. If not, a bit of horseradish is sometimes nice too.
The right spices enhance the flavor of the meat without overpowering it
Same with vegitables and other foods. It’s what herbs and spices do when used properly.
My wife add flavor at to meat, I like it just with salt.
Why are you so obsessed with how rocks taste, just east the food
Me add super pepper, and then salt. Then, me sear, rest, and est
I like plant too. Why discriminate 🤷♂️
Seriously. I will fuck up some turnip greens!
I’ve cut back on meat over the past couple of years, but I reserve the right to have a plate of chicken tenders when coping with emotional distress.
You ever try any of the plant-based tender type foods? Even if I wasn’t already vegan, I’d still want to choose those over animal-based tenders just cause they’re that good.
I have! I like the MorningStar Farms ones with some sweet and sour sauce.
Those are tasty, and I appreciate that they tend to be a lower price than most other products.
In medical literature and studies, vegans are often described as someone who eats meat no more than once a month. :)
Sure, but that’s wrong and used for convenience because the terminology got muddled early on. That was the original definition (i.e., no eating animal products), but the Vegan Society who created the term changed it not long after (in the 1940s?) to include avoiding exploitation generally “as far as is possible and practicable”. That’s because veganism is an ethical movement that sees this exploitation as fundamentally wrong. There’s still a note about this original definition at the end, of course, because a dietary term is largely how it exists in the minds of non-vegans.
What you’re referring to is a plant-based diet(er) (or “strict plant-based diet” if you want to be really clear and beat marketing buzz). Calling a vegan “someone who eats meat no more often than a month” in the sense of how vegans use the term would be like defining someone who’s anti-dog-abuse as someone who kicks their dog at most once a month.
(Edit: Notably, “vegan diet” is used among vegans, but because it’s a diet that comes as a consequence of being vegan, not because following it makes you vegan.)
TL;DR: That’s a definition used mainly among non-vegans.
“Vegetarian + tendies” is completely valid.
Valid, I also treat myself to a steak for my birthday
I never liked chicken nuggets until going vegan, lol. The plant-based ones are amazing.
Truuue, fast food chicken is fake as fuck anyway, it has already been properly imitated.
Even better, when I feel as a lazy fuck I throw the nuggets to the microwave for 30s and eat them with ketchup. They aren’t “raw” so it’s safe to do so, suck it meat tendies you can’t compete.
Meat is too delicious, I need to add a little plant based poison to it each time to avoid meat addiction.
Didn’t some meat-guy literally try to argue vegetables are toxic to humans or some shit
I mean if you stuff your mouth with 30 kgs of carrots you will die. Sounds toxic to me :D
What if you use them as a suppository? 🤔
Well many plants don’t want to be eaten or just by specific animals so they have stuff like gluten that is actually a feeding deterrent. Most allergies come from these feeding deterrents. So well yes most plants are toxic we have just learned to eat them - mostly.
Or capsaicin. I hate when plants produce that, LoL
Isn’t there at least one person for ANY kind of bullshit? Also, the father of medicine said once: “everything is lethal, the dosage is what matters” 😁
Yea but I’m talking about some carnivore diet influencer, might have been jordan peterson, who claimed humans can’t even digest vegetables or some shit
Oh I’ve heard that. Idiots starting with a grain of truth on characteristics of “insoluble fiber” and going off into la la land
…i would fear people who actually would believe such a thing. You don’t need a phd in medicine to know otherwise. Heck, you don’t even need any school-knowledge for that.
Everything is toxic to humans at high enough dose
So one of my favorite seasonings to add to hamburger, along with other beef and some pork stuff is… Beef Bullion.
Now you may scoff at the idea of this redundancy, but give it a try next time you make hamburger or beef tacos or whatever. if not, you’re missing out.
Now you should buy stock and use it instead of water in most cooking.
Or better yet, save ya bones and end pieces of meat and veg, brown it and use it to make your own. You can do this just before you cook, or whenever and just freeze or can it. If you go with the store stuff, buy stock based off of which one has the highest protein content.
I do that myself on occasion, but I seldom boil much stuff. A lil beef or chicken stock is good in mashed potatoes or in rice, but most of the time , unless I’m making a soup I use powdered bullion. It tastes better. Not even just my opinion. Blind taste tests always have most people prefer the “fake” stuff.
Really? I’d love to see some actual studies on people blind taste testing things made with stock vs. powdered bouillon. Do you have any links you can share?
Have you heard of Demi Glacé? Chef John has a good cheater recipe if you’re interested in home make and less beef pricey.
Chef John from foodwishes is awesome!
I have not, but I’m intrigued.
Just want to comment here, because some people seem to be trying to spread a stinky narrative: yes virtually all plants contain “toxins”. No, that does not mean they are toxic or poisonous to us. Caffeine is literally a natural pesticide; and yet coffee and teas are well known to be beneficial to our health and longevity, for just one example.
Spices are an easy way to give any meal not only better flavor, but a small punch of phytonutrients that most people are sorely lacking.
Don’t let the crackpot carnivores spread their lies.
