A 15-year-old student has had their hand blown off after picking up a stun grenade being used by police as mass school protests continue across France, local authorities said.
The incident comes as nearly 500 schools are expected to be completely or partially closed following student protests across the country over dilapidated schools and classrooms, overcrowding and teacher shortages preceding a nationwide day of demonstrations on Tuesday.
So they have money to brutalize children but not to teach them.
Story as old as time
uh, the same “children” also set fires to schools and doused a Principal with gasoline.
Protests are important, but les enfants are going to need a lesson in le fuck around, le find out.
I think you’re missing the point that the government has been fucking around with these children and their families for decades and now they’re finding out.
Or do you only believe in FAFO when it benefits those in power?
So you’re cool with violence against children… get fucked
They fuck shit up in France when things aren’t going the way they want.
As it happens, France has some of the strongest worker protection laws on the planet.
If they’re not afraid of you, they’re only going to use you.
These two might be related.
Some of the strongest on the planet = everybody else sucks so much more
Don’t be the person that holds down progress by comparing in ways that fuck over everybody.
The police are learning it too. Let les enfants fight for what they believe in. Carry your scars through life and know that you earned them fighting for what you believe in. Or be free from scars and know you traded your freedom and your values for a little more “safety”
“officials said”
Oh, the cops told you that huh? And you believed them?
There are three rules when dealing with any police officer. Though if you only remember the first one you’ll be fine.
Rule one: shut the fuck up. Rule two: they’re lying Rule three: shut. The. Fuck. Up.
France does not fuck around with protesting. I’m honestly shocked the government hasn’t figured out how to de-escalate.
FaFo will just give them martyrs.
They did figure it out, but the worldwide crisis in capitalism can’t be dealt with peacefully. Fascism in the only way forward for the bourgeoisie.
oh yeah, no arguments here. But this isn’t like day one of the protest. The writing has been on the wall.
A photo of TuaHawk during the American Civil Rights Movement
“They’re setting fire to schools!!! Kill them allllll!!!”
You are a sick piece of work, my friend. You hope that kids die. It’s disgusting.
Nah, people will always try to spin it like they did nothing wrong to begin with. I’m not saying it wasn’t the other parties fault as well, but it’s NEVER their fault and the NEVER did anything.
It works across about everything. I used to fix iPhones (back when you could) and about 3x a day people came in with broken screens and it was NEVER their fault and they just couldn’t figure out how it broke. Save for maybe half a dozen that actually said “I dropped it” or “I sat on it”. They didn’t even have a reason to lie to me, I didn’t even care I make the same regardless.
Didn’t most people come to you and just say “It’s broken, can you fix it?”. I don’t mind admitting I broke a screen but I don’t feel like this is necessary information, unless the repairperson asks.
Oh I love giving my atupid reasons the phone is broken. Like, it doesn’t just magically shatter, obviously I broke the thing. My favorite one so far is “Apple Care doesn’t cover heavy scratches, but to trade this thing in, it can’t have heavy scratches?” walks outside, takes off case, not so gently tosses phone into the air “You won’t believe this……”
This is Lemmy, an anti-authoritarian anarchist bubble, where protestors are always 100% good and the state is always 100% bad. You can’t post balanced news reporting here. /s
It’s kinda funny how the left say they are so different from the right but use the same bubble mechanics where unwanted opinions are filtered out/suppresed lol. Horseshoe theory checks out lol.
it’s kind of funny how you, oh wise enlightened centrist, are the only one to ever figure out that the thing that makes you comfortable just happens to be always right!
Here, for you: A cop trying to pass as a protester launches a projectile to justify anti-riot cops charging what’s otherwise a peaceful protest.
https://mu.social/profile/matd.eurosky.social/post/3mwxmpjqfdc2e
After that please come back explain about what “authorities” said about the protests.
We have videos and testimonies, full load of them. The state has “reports”.
And some ****** have uninformed opinions based on their prejudice towards the platform they’re on…
This is part of why I think nonviolent* protests require absolute discipline, including stopping others from breaking that discipline: clearly, the cops care about having a justification, however flimsy it may be, and the apologists I’ve talked to do use “yeah, well, they were attacked, so they had to defend themselves and keep the peace” as defense too. At least some of them seem genuinely convinced they’re doing the right thing by curbing violence, and even those without any conscience at all may feel more emboldened if they know they have a justification rather than relying on corrupt superiors cover for them.
Any message about police brutality is watered down by reports of violent protestors “starting it”.
Provocateurs provide that justification. Such people are the poison in any movement by throwing even carefully laid plans into disarray. But particularly in a nonviolent one, in an age of ubiquitous cameras, images of protesters stopping other “protesters” from escalating could send a powerful message to counter those claims.
* I prefer the term “nonviolent” to “peaceful” because an effective movement targeting the political will that sustains injustice can look a lot like a war. It’s just that the “weapons” aren’t guns, but strategic disruption and messaging. They have to be a nuisance that can’t be ignored, and they have to show the resilience to communicate that they won’t stop until they get what they want. That’s all easier said than done, of course, but where “peaceful” evokes an impression of people politely asking, protests need to be confrontational - just not necessarily violent.
Way to reverse the blame on the victims again. Protesters can’t control violent individuals. That’s why you deploy the police in a normal world.
But you seem to mean the protesters need to do the police’s job otherwise police will start crushing protests.
Be aware that
1.This would not be possible if the infiltrated policemen were not covered by both their hierarchy (actually they were most likely ordered to start a battle) and the anti-riot police. Anti-riot police know well how to go get an identified individual in a crowd. Were it a student, they would have done so, and not smoothly.
2. Over the last decade, we had countless of whistleblowers from the police force who were quitting over racism, sexism, gutted by the rise of the far right ideology in the police ranks. Pretend of being attacked is not to ease the decent policemen, it’s to keep pretending in medias and court. France police is deeply deeply rotted, and might well be beyond salvation.
victims frequently are to blame and claiming otherwise will increase the number of victims.
Advice to mitigate issues isn’t the same as putting blame. I think you’re confusing pragmatism for moral opposition. Cops being bastards isn’t their victims’ fault, but that observation isn’t worth jack shit if they continue to be bastards.
When the police send provocateurs to help them crush protests, you can hardly rely on the police to also control the provocateurs. Of course nobody should have to do the cops’ job, and not everybody can realistically stop someone from starting shit, but on a practical level, isn’t it strictly better if somebody does something?
They won’t suffer consequences, of course, but that’s not my point. We both agree that it’s the fault of the system for being fucked up.
On the other hand, if they were prevented from doing their job (such as other protesters holding them back from trying to attack), what are the police gonna do? Arrest people for stopping violence? I’m sure that’s a great look.
It can be both, but either way, isn’t it strictly better to prevent them from being attacked and undermining that pretense? Because that’s what I’m on about: what can be done?
If you have a suggestion for how to deal with this problem, I’m all ears; that’s what these discussion spaces are great for.
I just don’t think “Shit’s fucked, but it’s not my fault” is a productive mindset. It’s not wrong, just not very useful for unfucking things.
I hear what you’re saying, but I don’t think “self-policing” is a good approach either. If the perpetrator is an infiltrated cop, you’d be assaulted and charged for assaulting a cop (they act in group, and their colleagues will attest the cop identified himself as a cop). If the perpetrator is not a cop, it will most likely end in a fight and police will have again an excuse to intervene to “break up the fight”… by beating everyone.
The first thing I can see is document and expose them. The cop throwing projectile has been identified and his unmasked photo is now on Internet.
The second and even better thing is the propaganda doesn’t work well: a farmer union just announced they will join the protest to protect the kids and add their issues, that they see all related. More teachers want to join the protests, another large general union wants to join the protests.
At some point, they won’t be able to pretend everyone is violent and causing troubles.
Good points all around. Thanks for the civil contribution!
You cannot respect authority and respect yourself at the same time.
So, I live in this country and you’re saying bullshit. We have witnesses saying people who set fire are not from the movement. When I was younger, I blocked my school and we already had that. They robbed delivery trucks, set fire to them, attacked cars and attacked us.
An eurodeputee captured images of cops, dressed as civilians, attacking their colleagues to start offenses. We saw similar records during our « yellow vests » protests.
Even if students did this, most of them disapprove. Also you have no confirmed profile yet anyway. And whoever did this does not deserve to lose his eye, jaw or hand.
What about the kid they tried to drown? What about the 14 years old girl who got strangled? Do you have excuses for that too? Does it make you laugh?
Please, in the future, restrain from talking about topics you don’t know shit about.
Victim blaming is not “balanced news reporting”.
That first sentence of yours is very illuminating.
Lemmy is at a particularly extreme level of violence endorsement. If the people on here said the things that they usually say in public, in actual society and not their little bubble, they’d be rightfully locked up.
Posts on Lemmy are viewable to anyone, same as any other place.
I talk about how Trump should fucking die every single day IRL, and not a single person has disagreed. My boss agrees. My therapist agrees. Literally everyone with a working brain agrees.
I worry about him getting assassinated because of the backlash and potential martyrization, but overall I think the world would be better, and lives would be saved if he took a forever nap ASAP.
If you think that means I ought to be locked up, you’re a fucking fascist. Stopping fascism is the moral choice here. Ask people if Hitler’s suicide was a tragedy if you’re confused by the concept.
That hasn’t prevented members of the U.S. government or ICE from being locked up