DraconicSun

They directly fund these companies and the development of these vehicles. They use slave labor. They have lax environmental protections.

So does every single Western car company, bucko. If you want everything to be fine and dandy you’d have to move past capitalism.

Also, “Western” usually means “country that is part of NATO”.

Try those three videos, for starters. Guy is not an expert, but he’s a car enthusiast who has a lot of connections.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivp4O-udEDs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jxt75wACo4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6o0uVsJX_o

I’ll refer to you to those three videos by a car enthusiast who’s got a good grip on what entails to buy a car in 2026, even an used one.

No, that has nothing to do with my argument. It has to do with the fact that buying a new car in the US is a complete scam that was only allowed to happen because the western car manufacturers used regulatory capture to make an entire cartel for the market. It’s flooded with 100k light trucks, terrible payment programs, and the entire thing is designed to keep you in massive debt. A 12k dollar Geely EX2 would completely blow up this scam.

Maybe you should look what entails today to get a brand new car in the US, and you’ll learn why everything about the US car market is beyond fucked.

“Because I’ll say anything to be right even if it doesn’t have any basis in reality”

Try buying a new car right now in the US. You’ll be in a rabbit hole so deep it’ll reach the Earth’s core.

No, I just thought your argument was terrible and extremely defensive of the Western car market cartel, as if anyone needs to defend them. I am aware that Chinese companies are not little angels, but compared to the Western brands that explicitly run a rat race to see who can sell the shittiest car for the highest price, they’re more saintly than Mother Mary.

Please elaborate on how the market being divided amongst dozens of brands from nations all over the world is the same as a single, powerful entity like Amazon or Walmart controlling the entire market?

Because they’re a cartel. Next question. Brazil had a similar issue with all the big worldwide brands essentially colluding to keep prices high until the Chinese EVs crashed the market and forced them to bring prices down and offer better customer support.

What do you define as “quality” exactly?

Those Chinese EVs are actually quite simple to fix and maintain. The only issue really is getting the parts, but at least in Brazil, they have plenty of spares they imported directly from the Chinese mainland to help fix those vehicles. And in the event you go to their shop and your car needs a part that isn’t available, they’ll import said part for you and pay all of the fees - you just pay for the part and labor.

You’re not doing yourself any favors defending General “I sell pedestrian-crushing trucks” Motors.

What you’re describing has already happened in the US and China entering the market would break it. But since it’s western car companies doing it you don’t have an issue with it.

Oh, and most of those new Chinese EVs are actually way, way higher quality than even European brands.

Pretty much every Western car company is allowed in China, they just have to obey local laws. I don’t think they ban entire car brands based on political bullshit.

The railroading would be more akin to aggressive marketing and some degree of propaganda, which is extremely common in the United States. Very rarely you’ll get car ads on the US that aren’t some sort of SUV or light truck.

And no, that’s not my claim. It’s more that BYD and Geely have vehicles and features that aren’t made with the sole goal of making the car more expensive. American car companies (and subsidiaries of foreign companies) are extremely predatory, and BYD/Geely try to focus in moving away from that way of treating the customer. And yes, that is a marketing tactic. But if this marketing tactic makes predatory western car companies change their ways, I don’t see a problem with it.

When both of those companies arrived in Brazil, the cars became extremely popular mostly because of them offering (assumingly) non-predatory practices. They’re still large companies, so I don’t inherently trust them in that regard, but it’s competition that is making western car companies shit themselves hard enough to try to ban those vehicles.

American spyware created by the CIA: “Aww, you’re sweet”

Chinese spyware: “HELLO, HUMAN RESOURCES???”

(both are bad. but pretending one is worse than the other is stupid)

No, it’s because they are stagnant, complacent, refuse to sell anything people actually want and instead railroads people into buying 100k dollar trucks they don’t need that do nothing but cause trouble, take space, and kill pedestrians, constantly bribe officials to get competitors neutered or banned, and overall treat their customers like actual dogshit. And I think this goes for any car company that sells in the US, they all know American customers don’t fucking care about being treated like shit so they do the same thing. Brazilian car companies did the same exact thing, and BYD and Geely essentially spooked them into lower prices and trying to be more customer friendly.

I’m not a China apologist, they’re literally more capitalist than the US because of that Deng cunt. And yes, I know that is their idea, Uber and Doordash did the same thing, but at this point American car companies deserve to go out of business.

The fact of the matter is that the US market is shutting out competition because they know they would be completely fucked if they allowed BYD/Geely there. They’re gonna turn themselves into Cuba with old cars that can’t be repaired.

Catching up? Their cars are straight up better, everyone is buying BYD cars everywhere they’re sold because they’re actually excellent vehicles. Hell, brazilians, who are known for not having any sort of money whatsoever, are saving up or financing them cause the amount of money saved on gas pays for the extra price of the car within like an year.

So attempting to split the vote is fine if you’re a corporate Democrat trying to stop a dirty communist from winning?

The current DNC is not left. They’re right wingers who prefer the death and destruction they cause to have an air of respectability. You wanna go back to brunch and ignore the fact your side bombs brown children and commits war crimes too. You were confronted with the actual reality of what America is and you got butthurt about it.

Also, I’m not American. I’m celebrating the fact you got what you fucking deserved. The only destiny America deserves is balkanization. You hate Trump because he dropped the mask, not because he’s an evil fascist. You are perfectly content in allowing America to be what it has been for the last 80 years as long as YOUR GUY is in charge and committing war crimes and putting migrants on cages outside of your view.

Get fucked, gringo. You’ll watch helplessly as progressives colonize your party and push you to the side.

Should’ve told that to the DNC when Mamdani won the primary, then.