You mean like JAQing off? Like trolls?

I don’t know how we got to you defending him now, but I think that’s a sign that we jumped the shark with this conversation.

I guess in the US the milkshake machines are not directly behind the counter, in full view of the customers?

As somebody who was able to see those before they got defederated: If they’re not denying stuff like that Russia is the aggressor, then they have improved and the common conscious is just slow to forgive.

It was “they must be trolls” levels when I still saw them. Pure ragebait levels. And you did often get the feeling that they were just trying to be as edgy as possible.

Because you got a little defensive when I mentioned that the people listening to him are Americans.

And there ARE many, many Americans who listen to him. Maybe not the absolute majority, but we wouldn’t be here in this situation if a sizable part of the US population wasn’t the type of person to fall for this kinda guy.

Sure, but why would those be listening to the American health guy.

It might hurt to hear, but pretty much everything about the guy is deeply US American. Even the way he got there.

Americans

That sounds like not calling a cannibal a cannibal because of the negative connotation which the word doesn’t have in cannibal culture

Consider that monkey paws or djinns are real. Trump wished to be rich, fuck a lot of girls, and become the president of the USA. So of course he got literally that.

• But his young girls are literally underage.
• His riches are spent on classless endeavors and his projects fail.
• And he is the president, but he’s fully aware that the people supporting that are horribly devoid of critical thinking or the slimiest sycophants; and also fully aware that the rest of the world sees him as the most pathetic man in the world even as president of the most powerful country.

Ah I don’t know, it’s just a nice thought.

Nenenenene, Pfannkuchen und Eierkuchen, datt ham wa im Pott auch, und da heissen die auch Schultüten.

It’s a good metaphor for explaining the concept he wants to explain, but I think it falls a bit short in that it’s not a dog with one brain that has one goal.

Instead it’s controlled by a bunch of people who have been indoctrinated that being successful is making money. People like trump have no interest in the dog, apart from how much blood they can suck from it.

With one exception being the animals that are fed with crops.

We wouldn’t grow more crops in total, but more would be available for human consumption.

Each disadvantage has its advantage

• Famous quote from a Dutch football player

So. Is that an em dash

If you’re American, either people will label you a terrorist because you actually are one, or maga will label you one for existing regardless

• Well yeah of course it’s not as simple as that. We’re talking about a whole another human being here. You’re describing it like you want a checkbox “has a partner” ticked, not like you actually want what that entails. If you don’t want a boomer style, I-hate-my-wife kinda relationship, then dating doesn’t stop when you’re together, it would go on for the duration of the relationship. If you don’t like the game, then don’t complain about not playing it?
• yeah, that’s not the same as making your peace with it though; that’s the opposite, called holding a grudge.
• It wasn’t your only option, but you admitted several times already that you’re not willing to do what it takes. That’s your decision and that’s fine, but why blame others for the outcome?

And the rest of this… Man those are some issues. Staying at home when your partner needs you is “putting in work”, but we won’t even consider that those words could mean to work on yourself… Even after multiple relationships failed after the initial infatuation could not carry them anymore.

And after writing thousands of words defending being bitter at your own choices, you accuse others of making you dwell on this. The only one in control of what you write is you, so either you secretly enjoy it, or therapy can help you out of it way, way better.

As someone in a relationship I can tell you that there’s no problem with “the system”, only with the people.

• put in effort: you’ve put SOME effort into it, but evidently not enough to get a life partner. There are other people who DO go further than you, and have life partners. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
• make peace with it: Technically giving up means the battle is over, thus you have “made peace”. Usually people understand it as leaving a situation WITHOUT it making you bitter, though - and that’s how I meant it, too.
• live a bitter life: Yes. This one is your choice. Not the other 2.

In the end relationships are A LOT of work, even before they start; and paying that price is simply not for everybody.

So… no human contact, then?

If people who don’t use too much internet are mystical creatures for you, then you are already in very deep. Join a club, go to meetups, anything where you interact with people non digitally, or you will become a very bitter, caustic person. The signs are already there in your replies, but the ball is in your court, and you are responsible to take action if you don’t want that.

Oh good, so all I have to do is date someone who isn’t interested in dating?

No, it means statistically you’ll need to try with more than 2 people to find a “good” person - because even if the split was 50/50 in the beginning, the easy going people are leaving the dating pool faster in comparison.

Nobody says you NEED to date, but you don’t radiate any kind of gracious “eh, dating is just not for me” attitude. Instead you seem quite bitter, attributing it to an unfair system instead of that unwillingness to come out of the digital world more.

So it’s roughly 3 options:

• Put in the effort
• REALLY make peace with not dating, not out of spite, but enjoying the choice
• live a bitter life

I wish you the best.

You need less internet. Or less contact with people who have too much internet.

The situations you’re describing, stuff like saying he’s not a real man, is what I see online, in YouTube videos videos etc. Those videos obviously have a selection bias, they pick the most egregious examples because that’s what gets clicks. I’ve never seen it in real life.

And IF you see it in real life, well obviously their values don’t align with yours, so why would you even WANT to date them; look elsewhere.

On top of that, also keep in mind that people who are “easy-going” (to summarize it as that), will leave the dating pool, while the difficult ones will stay there; you’re searching water in a swamp, kinda.

Yeah English is not a clear, direct language.

When English speakers say someone gets defensive, it usually doesn’t refer to literally the act of mounting a defense, without any moral connotation.

Instead, they usually refer to someone telling on themselves, by mounting a defense where there was no attack intended on them.

Like that recent trump interview, where pedophiles got mentioned, and he immediately “got defensive”, screaming that he’s not a pedophile, even though nobody made that statement about him in that interview.