Well I had declared me being against them but I feel like you have waded into something that you might not have realised, so I am happy for you to take the position of against and I for if you prefer?

I honestly feel like I am having a stroke reading your comment.

There might be a few, but the best scenario is people can even see valid points they can use against real life Trump supporters or supporters on other platforms.

Trumps tariffs

Just want to see someone defend them or try to defend them is all.

Is there anyone brave enough to debate where they are for these tariffs against me?

In case you did not notice but right wing fascism is already there in the US. It’s too late for you guys, the only thing that can stop this is the non-voters losing more rights until they are personally affected, then they will wake up and realise their mistake. The only question that remains is will it be too late.

The US is a cautionary tale for the rest of the world that in order to have a democracy you have to participate and pay attention in order to preserve it.

I mean yeah once again thats your view point. I still stand by the fact that the non-voters in the US fell asleep at the wheel. Like I have said a few times before when the rights messaging leading up to election was as blatantly fascist and racist then what is currently happening in the US is hugely because of the non-voters fault and they need to take blame for their inaction in allowing it to happen.

It’s been nice sharing the differing views. Clearly a case of you believe one things and I another. Have a great day. Btw being an Australian means I am not suffering from this but I am interested in what caused it to protect against it our end. Thankfully our mandatory voting hopefully means the majority sees sense but wish us luck anyway.

Thats not evidence, and that is just confirmation bias. If an actual study was performed looking at the hiring processes and the end result of alot of companies then that would be evidence. Also if there was a rise in discrimination law suits in situations where DEI was a determining factor would even be evidence.

What you said was basically was “Someone said it exists so it must”.

You have the wrong end of the stick when it comes to DEI, like so many others you have just gobbled up the view points of the right propaganda machine. But let me ask one thing, where is the evidence os all this supposed discrimination that took place because of DEI?

My main point was non-voters using self-reflection and realise they fucked up this time around, this is not me just trying to pass the buck as you and so many others are doing to the Democratic party. Sure I will agree the Democratic party was not perfect and all they would have done was continue the status quo. But as I stated earlier when a simple Pro’s and Con’s activity one would realise that the the status quo would have been better then the fascist BS and all the rights you have lost and are losing that is currently happening now.

Like I said I have seen better self reflection from those that once supported Trump than those that seemingly want to try and pass the blame entirely on the Democratic party without acknowledging their own failures.

You still fail to offer any points that can sway my mind from this.

You can prove this with studies. Whether one has been done or not is another case entirely, but I remain steadfast imo that the right is a breeding ground for toxic masculinity.

Sorry, your points still don’t sway me. To learn and move past what happened, the non-voters need to take a large portion of the blame. Otherwise you are only pandering to their apathy, without them acknowledging this simple error on their part then the US will repeat this same error in the future.

Edit: I will add I have seen more self reflection and growth from former Republicans who realise that they fucked up by supporting him in the first place. A concept you and those non-voters are failing to grasp.

I would agree it wa not the only thing but it was definitely one of the prominent ones.

I would argue ( happy to be countered argued and if proof can be given who knows you might even change my mind) that conservatism is the reason for the rise toxic masculinity, ergo the right is a toxic thing to embrace? change my mind.

Wow, what a surprise. Who could have seen this coming from a racist administration voted in by a racist base helped along by the apathetic non-voters. /s

More and more authoritarian.

You again fail to see my point, which is logic based. Its not vote blue no matter who. Its a simple task of pros and cons and actually paying attention to the rhetoric of both sides. In my view this is where the non-voters actually failed and they need to learn from their mistake. The pros and cons for those that appreciate democracy and don’t ascribe to the hate that the right pumped out would have been a better way to ensure as a voter you knew what was at stake.

The difference between the two parties was not just insignificant policy difference. You had one side literally boost hatred on a Haitian community, that was loud in their Nazi and authoritarian rhetoric. You are not applying the reflection needed to understand that when one side is like that and you don’t vote against it then you are also the problem.