I’m just waiting for my clients to be able to show a list of my upvoted items like they do for Lemmy.
I wonder, would these users still use PieFed if they have seen its codebase? Maybe it can be one day but right now it’s 100% not production-grade software. Nonsensical hardcoded bans and blocks everywhere. >1000 lines of Python in a single file. Uses regex to parse HTML. The list goes on…
uses regex to parse HTML
I see we are having fun these places!
Maybe it can be one day but right now it’s 100% not production-grade software.
Why should we only use “production-grade software” software on the Fediverse? Isnt the beauty that we can use all kind of software as long as it interacts decently via the relevant protocols?
Also I am already using Lemmy, which is pretty known for its opinionated devs. This does not seem to be anything that would stop, especially when I can actually read the code as its in a language I can atleast understand somewhat
Lemmy, which is pretty known for its opinionated devs
The opinions of the devs have so far (at least as far as I know) not spread into the actual code though.
I just want to make sure people know what they’re getting into before they decide to use PieFed. If you know about the issues and decide to use it, I totally respect that decision.
If the code is bad, you realise only coders would notice it from reading that?
And most people are not coders. What hardcoded bans are you referring to here? The 4chan one that can be disabled?
If the code is bad, you realise only coders would notice it from reading that?
That’s what makes it particularly sad. The people who didn’t read the code have no idea what they’re in for.
What hardcoded bans are you referring to here? The 4chan one that can be disabled?
How about this one? ‘enoughmuskspam’, ‘political_weirdos’, ‘piracy’, ‘memes’ are hardcoded banned. 196 used to be banned to but they removed it from the “bad list”.
Also “can be disabled” does not excuse hardcoded filtering. If they’re serious they could implement a config system in an hour.
obviously not that “hardcoded” since piefed.zip can access these things just fine
https://piefed.zip/c/enoughmuskspam@lemmy.worldhttps://piefed.zip/c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.compiefed.ca too
https://piefed.ca/c/memes@lemmy.worldHardcoded means the filter is in the source code (as opposed to being in a config file or database). Whether or not it can be disabled/circumvented is a different matter.
irrelevant when it can be disabled anyways
Defaults matter. We always complain about that when it comes to eg.: Firefox, no sense in being a hypocrite here and letting Piefed do just about.
What are they in for? The site seems to work fine from a user perspective.
That is from an auto-federation system for instances to bulk add new comms across instances. Any community can still be manually added. And I think most of those may have been removed now a few weeks ago. I can literally access enoughmuskspam@lemmy.world from piefed.social and all those other terms.
All new admins need to do to change things is to untick boxes.
What are they in for? The site seems to work fine from a user perspective.
Fox News would seem like a perfectly fine source of news if you get all your news from Fox News, wouldn’t you agree?
Any community can still be manually added.
And you can still manually get any news you want from other channels, Fox News just won’t show them.
(I am not saying PieFed is as bad as Fox News, just trying to make an analogy to show that something that “seems to work fine” can be pretty bad for the users nonetheless)
BTW,
!enoughmuskspam@lemmy.world(with the exclamation mark up front) to correctly refer to communities. Without the ! that’s an email address.I don’t get this comparison. You are scrutinising the code here as if people coming here without knowledge of how awful it apparently is will apparently be in for a rough ride. That the code excludes communities with certain keywords from being automatically added by the mass federation tool used only by instance owners (many of which have been removed now - as much of it was a copy and paste job from communities designated to shed content after 6 months) doesn’t actually impact the user experience just using the site.
To me, the sloppy codebase means I wouldn’t want to selfhost it. And the presence of hardcoded filtering of things the devs dislike (even if it can be manually worked around) is for me a very good indicator that more shenanigans will come along the line.
If you have no problems with what I mentioned then I don’t think we have much in common ground to argue on. You can enjoy PieFed and I will continue to enjoy Lemmy.
I just want people to be informed about these things that I find highly problematic before they decide to use or selfhost PieFed.
New users joining from Reddit aren’t dealing with self-hosting - they’re just using it. I will also add I have seen a lot of praise for how easy it is to host piefed from other instance owners.
Memes is a banned url, huh? Okay, let’s test this scientifically. After I make this comment, I’m gonna go to !memes@lemmy.world and see if I get any posts.
Huh? You just linked a community on lemmy.world. That’s a lemmy instance. The person above you is referring to piefed. You don’t understand the code.
Piefed has all the shit code that bans a bunch of stuff. They also delete your comment if it starts with a gif link. And then put your social score down one. They also block you from downvoting if your votes are negative (more downs than up). There so much dumb shit because there are against actual free speech.
See this for proof: https://lemmy.ml/comment/23662293
Me shocked to learn that PieFed (the software I am currently using) will delete My comment if it starts with a gif (like this one does)
The code doesn’t actually parse the markdown in the post at all, so it only censors your comment if it’s a link to common gif hosters, and posted in a way that doesn’t actually render the gif.
It’s laughable because it’s both attempting to be draconian and implemented poorly
Woah, I see lots of posts on !memes@lemmy.world, and some of them have more than a thousand upvotes. I guess there’s no hardcoded bans on meme communities. You must have misunderstood the code.
Can you show me Reddits code?
The version from 10 years ago, yeah. It’s here https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit.
There’s a modern and production-ready open source alternative. It’s called Lemmy. You can find the source here https://github.com/lemmynet/lemmy
Lemmy is missing several features that Piefed has had for more than a year now: https://piefed.zip/post/1008300#comment_3561702
Did you put the right URL? That URL links to a comment about the 4-chan image blocking and reputation loss.
If this is the feature you consider to be missing from Lemmy, then yes, please let it remain missing. I definitely don’t want anything like it.
Copy pasting the comment content just to be sure
Edit : asked Rimu, here’s the answer:
I wrote a long message about how that checkbox only notifies about federated posts.
So the difference is for local posts it blocks the creation of the post entirely, but for federated posts it just notifies the admin.
https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/3-general/topic//near/10529
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Maybe that filter is the one missing, if that’s the case, that will be changed soon, as it always has been for every time a similar issue was raised
- the thorn character filter
- 196 and other memes communities not being federated by default
- the “this filter” being configurable
My personal stance is that Piefed has several features that Lemmy has been lacking for more than a year, and that prevent the Threadiverse from growing
- multicommunities
- onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
- crossposts comments consolidation
- communities moderation features
- posts and user flairs
- keyword filters
None of the Piefed users ever said Piefed was perfect, that the code was elegant, or that there were no issues with filters such as the the three examples I listed above.
What we see from time to time is people spreading literal misinformation about Piefed, saying that those filters can’t be disabled by an admin (they can), and/or that a fork is needed to do so (it’s not) .
That’s why I created that post, because for whatever reason Piefed seems to now have haters, which seems counterproductive as it has the unique features listed above.
I personally would prefer people to say “Lemmy is fine, PieFed is fine too, both can operate with each other, my personal preference is X” rather insulting Piefed or Lemmy devs.
Okay so I actually read the code just now, unlike you, and now I know what that list is for. It’s not a ban. You wanna hear what the list is for?
I know what the code is for. And I know that your instance manually exempted the block for ‘memes’ (or perhaps your instance imported the memes community before the block came in place, idk).
Can you view any ‘piracy’ or ‘enoughmuskspam’ community on your instance? I can’t
http://multiverse.soulism.net/communities?search=piracy&language_id=0
http://multiverse.soulism.net/communities?search=enoughmuskspam&language_id=0
Try !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com from MULTIVERSE again, I just subscribed to it. You can’t manually trigger federation if you don’t have an account on MULTIVERSE. Thanks for the recommendation, I definitely want piracy on My instance. But I won’t be subscribing to the Musk community, I’ve had enough of that Nazi.
By the way, I use capitalised pronouns in all three grammatical persons.
And there’s no block on memes or piracy or the space pedophile. I can tell you what that code actually does if you ask. It doesn’t block federation to the communities.
Just to confirm, did You find the ‘piracy’ comm in the search menu (like I was trying to)? Or did You have to manually type in the URL and subscribe first for it to federate?
If You found it in the search menu, then my understanding of the code must be wrong. In that case would You please explain.
PS: The musk community is against musk. Apologies about not using Your pronouns earlier.
I used the federate remote communities page on the web UI, but I could also have typed the ! notation into a comment. I didn’t try using the search to find it, but I don’t think it would have worked. When I used the federation machine two weeks ago, I only grabbed communities over a certain size on certain instances. MULTIVERSE has to be told to look for smaller communities.
Still, communities like femcelmemes and dankchristianmemes and lemmyshitpost (shit is also on the list) were picked up by the community federation machine with no tinkering.
So here’s what the code does. That list you found, of the seven_things_plus, it’s Rimu’s idea of “low effort communities”. As an admin, when I click on a user, I can see their “reputation”, which shows if they’ve been getting lots of downvotes or lots of upvotes. And I also have a checkbox that says something like “ignore reputation from low effort communities”. It’s designed to prevent karma farming. Rimu designed it so if a robot posts a lot of memes to 196 to farm karma and then starts posting ads for RAID SHADOW LEGENDS, I have the option of ignoring the meme reputation and still seeing that the bot isn’t contributing anything of value. But I have the checkbox turned off because I like memes.
This week I’m gonna try making a PR to change that list’s name to something more descriptive and make it configurable by admins. I’ve never contributed to PieFed before so we’ll see if I can understand enough of the code to do it. Wish Me luck.
The search menu on a piefed instance isn’t going to find and federate new communities. It has never worked like that.
Sadly refactoring is frowned upon in a lot of places as it takes away from adding new stuff, especially when necessary to prevent the code from getting worse
Been looking to migrate off .ml, can y’all sell me on switching to piefed?
Piefed has some neat features unique to it, such as:
- a very nice gallery view for image heavy communities.
- the ability to combine comments from multiple communities under one post, if the same link was posted to all of them. You can see an example of that here (notice how the comments have dividers for each community).
- the ability to create and subscribe to a pre-made list of communities, sorta like a multi-reddit.
Piefed has so many issues. It’s great at adding new features, but it’s so bad at free speech.
See this: https://lemmy.ml/comment/23662293
Deal breaker for me. Although Lemmy is not all that tolerant of dissenting views either I hear.
just like on reddit if you are trolling, issuing propaganda, and ignoring community rules you will get banned surely anywhere else, obviously if your being offensive too.
don’t forget, being sexually harassed by a mod and then warning people about the mod will get you banned too
In my experience reddit administration moderates dishonestly, violating posts not against the rules because of subjects like Israel,. Moderators there are more than you can shake a stick at they run the gamut.
But the administration is quite dishonest, and will become more and more so.
A bunch of tankies whining around anti-spam/bot, anti-AI and defederating from tankie instances. I see no problem here.
Way more features, actually gets updates, and awesome devs who take on feedback and make changes.
Been looking to migrate off .ml,
Why out if curiosity?
Is there any particular reason for this?
I‘m coming from an promotion in r/buyfromEU
Welcome!
thx, this fediverse seems for me more usable than others like mastodon a half if a year ago.
Welcome! Piefed/Lemmy are closer to Reddit than Mastodon is to Twitter. Feel free if you have any questions!
It is lol. Reddit is a forum disguised as social media, something which does not require complicated recommendation systems to feel complete. Hence lemmy/piefed feel more usable in my opinion.
you right. reddit is just a good, easy to use forum, but this piefed here, too. That is what I like about it.
the great part about all this is you still being able to interact with people on mastodon. killer feature
sounds great, but how do I interact with them? can I choose another server to login from here?
You can tag a mastodon user in a Lemmy/Piefed-post.
The caveat being that their server has to be connected to your server.
You can’t choose another server to log in. Think about it as email - if you are using Gmail, you can’t log in to your email using Hotmail. You can write emails to users with Hotmail, but the login only works for your own email provider.
cool, thx
Some promotional posts were made on Reddit in the right comms, although none of them specifically exploded - albeit one was made also in r/buyCanadian and it seemed to surge.
cant be reddit bans, they have largely laid off the massive bans. although i have heard they upped thier methods of detecting would be ban evasion methods.
Reddit also upped the enshittification but i cant remember why.
its also too easy to get banned. new accounts and old inactive accounts becoming suddenly active are highly likely to get banned.
I saw it in a post about people getting temp bans for simply stating that EU allies would be right to defend Greenland in case of military action. Might just have been one of several grievances with Reddit at the moment though
Woah, I haven’t heard about this. Are those temp bans on specific subreddits or a site-wide ban for not being pro-Trump?
It was 3 day site wide bans as I understood it. Reason given was that saying that Greenland should defend itself was “threatening violence”.
The thread in question, thing it is in r/Sweden https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/s/BvEiqSM2cf
then the 3 day sitewide bans end often leads to a shadow ban or sitewide ban, for unkown reasons for your part. as soon as they sniff other accounts you mave or deleted you are toast.
I’m probably applying too much logic here which Reddit admins don’t seem to like, but… how can defending oneself if something happens (not even preemptively, but after the fact) be threatening violence, while Trump repeatedly saying they’re gonna own Greenland one way or another is not threatening violence?
theres also other easy ways apparently to get banned too, “reporting people if the mods dont agree you can get permantly banned yourself”. or your comments are too spammy or to similar to bots.
Ipo
That was the big one, but there was something else smaller last year.
What?
One of my friends finally joined for two reasons. First he was disgusted by the Reddit ICE ads, and second he realized his Reddit feed was half shit he doesn’t subscribe to.
That’s actually also the reason I am here, lol. Reddit feed. has gone down the drain, although I don’t get Ice ads. I ain’t American.
A few posts on subreddits, see !fedigrow@lemmy.zip and !fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com
The 3 posts I made on reddit promoting the Fediverse and PieFed got over 300,000 views together.
More people getting involved in fedigrow could see much higher numbers, but let’s not spam.
Thank you! 👍👍
Happy to help, more are coming 😁
As a small comment, !fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com is supposed to be the community for promotion outside of the Fediverse, so Reddit and others.
!fedigrow@lemmy.zip is dedicated about community growing.
Maybe the names are confusing and we should switch community growing to a new !communitygrow@piefed.zip or something
Ah thanks for the clarification, I never looked that closely at what exactly they are, there’s some overlap
Welcome new users!!
Greetings to South Africa
Everyone knows this. This is also just piefed.social.
Linking so people see it.
Isn’t that something possible in any piefed spot not just the instance of the dev?
Yes. So? Piefed.ca is receiving the bump here. Other instances have turned it off.
You know Rimu made a thread in !piefed_meta@piefed.social so you can ask questions or express concerns.
Because it’s a piefed feature set.
Based on rimus responses here and elsewhere they do not seem interested in feedback.
Even in their comment linking to a thread saying they welcome it, they were attacking someone providing it
Where do you see that in the thread?
Here = comm
And https://lemmy.world/comment/21861362 which leads to
https://piefed.social/comment/9670365
Where both calls anyone but them looking at the code amateurs and can’t understand people wouldn’t provide feedback if thought bad things in code were purposely done as so many projects will do that
There’s no need to listen to rumors and amateur speculation when we’re right here and happy to help. Come on in, the water’s fine!
This comment was a month ago, and he was aware of people heavily slamming his project and showing no interest at all in actually sharing it to him.
He isn’t specifically “calling out” anyone directly. All he says here is that the stuff people are complaining about here have been on piefed and not hidden since day zero.
That was an interesting read.
Seems like piefed should fix a lot of that. For some of it, at least make it configurable and not hard coded. But that blocked user stuff seems like a real problem.
Most of it is configurable and off by default. But the haters don’t mention that.
Yeah I’m reading that in other replies. Still you would put this in configs, for which you could have templates that come with certain defaults populated, rather than hard coding like this.
I’m doing this because I love doing it. Often that means the boring bits like documentation or config or general finesse get left out. I’m trying to paint with broad strokes in the hope that when others see what I’m trying to do they’ll join in and fill in the details.
Yeah no worries. I’m happy with any effort that brings more people to the fediverse. My comments were honest and constructive criticism. Wasn’t meant to offend. Keep up the good work.
As i asked there, which is the 4chan image blocking as the checks there simply say images from 4chan cause reputation loss.
I know you are amazing at promoting the fediverse but feels odd to see you ignore all the issues people bring up about piefed
Edit : asked Rimu, here’s the answer:
I wrote a long message about how that checkbox only notifies about federated posts.
So the difference is for local posts it blocks the creation of the post entirely, but for federated posts it just notifies the admin.
https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/3-general/topic//near/10529
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Maybe that filter is the one missing, if that’s the case, that will be changed soon, as it always has been for every time a similar issue was raised
- the thorn character filter
- 196 and other memes communities not being federated by default
- the “this filter” being configurable
My personal stance is that Piefed has several features that Lemmy has been lacking for more than a year, and that prevent the Threadiverse from growing
- multicommunities
- onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
- crossposts comments consolidation
- communities moderation features
- posts and user flairs
- keyword filters
None of the Piefed users ever said Piefed was perfect, that the code was elegant, or that there were no issues with filters such as the the three examples I listed above.
What we see from time to time is people spreading literal misinformation about Piefed, saying that those filters can’t be disabled by an admin (they can), and/or that a fork is needed to do so (it’s not) .
That’s why I created that post, because for whatever reason Piefed seems to now have haters, which seems counterproductive as it has the unique features listed above.
I personally would prefer people to say “Lemmy is fine, PieFed is fine too, both can operate with each other, my personal preference is X” rather insulting Piefed or Lemmy devs.
All the “features missing on Lemmy” could/should be implemented on the client. The fact that developers don’t understand that and go on to reimplement a whole part of the stack (instead of joining forces and helping the existing effort) is counterproductive.
Piefed just reminds me too much of sublinks where people simply hated the devs so instead of helping improve the software or even fork it just started fresh on something new.
None of the Piefed users ever said Piefed was perfect, that the code was elegant, or that there were no issues with filters such as the the three examples I listed above.
I’d argue poor code will cause issues as users increase, both for instance admins and user performance.
Overall the issues brought up keep coming back to piefed bringing in some of the worst parts of reddit to the fediverse, like the reputation system. It’s designed how rimu wants people to interact in specific ways. And does not seem to care if it actually works with other non piefed instances.
Good
That graph looks nice. There’s also new instances popping up. Looks like healthy organic growth.
Congrats!
Is this new users or users switching from Lemmy ?
Reddit adverts, so many new users
Is some new drama going on over there lately?
No, it just got advertised by some users from here and managed to cut through.
Here from Reddit.
It’s about time to move over.
Welcome to the Threadiverse! 🎉
I’ve been on the microblogging side of the fediverse for some time (the misskey style forks), but really started to miss forum style discussion. 8 joined Lemmy and realized that a huge portion of comments simply weren’t displaying on that instance, so I moved to Piefed and am really happy with it so far. There’s a lot of features that I like.
Welcome!
Thanks :)
Nice to see the growth!
Hopefully everyone had a soft landing spot and can find a home over here in the fediverse.
We’ve even been seeing the growth here on MULTIVERSE
I wouldn’t expect new users to donate within their first few days on the site
Okay? It’s still a massive surge of new users relative to older growth.
Which is not useful if those users are people who try out the platform and then abandon it, or worst bots for state actors.
Should we just not celebrate any growth at all?
Donating is great, sure, and they’re probably more likely to stick around if they paid, but just because someone isn’t donating doesn’t mean they won’t be active in the comments or by making posts. Not to mention they might spread the word to friends, some of whom might donate.
