• TipRing@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    47
    ·
    5 days ago

    I kind of excused some of that due to societal PTSD from 9/11 but in retrospect around half of Americans just fucking suck.

    • rafoix@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      23
      ·
      5 days ago

      One could see how bloodthirsty they were as soon as they saw the opportunity to have extrajudicial punishment and the opportunity to kill a lot of brown people.

      • LousyCornMuffins@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        4 days ago

        i was in college in utah. people at there were openly talking in the lunchroom about how excited they were to kill muslims. every time i’d challenge that narrative dozens of people would shout it down. it was disgusting.

    • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      4 days ago

      societal PTSD from 9/11

      I feel 9/11 was less of a “we were struck by the ravages of war” and more of a “how dare they shoot back” event. If it was like the bombing of London by the Nazis, that makes most people reluctant to go to war instead of making war popular.

      I mean, who looks at 9/11 and says “we want more of this”? Apparently most Americans?

      • xyzzy@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        4 days ago

        It was revenge for making Americans feel vulnerable. Two oceans and the world’s strongest military made Americans feel safe from the world (and the effects of U.S. policies toward it). Even national humiliations like losing the Vietnam War were things that happened “out there.” Domestic resistance to the invasion of Iraq often took the form of “Why Iraq when we should be going after the people responsible for 9/11 instead?” Resistance to the invasion of Afghanistan was much more muted for this reason. It was only later that everyone was always against both wars.

    • SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      4 days ago

      1/4 to 1/3 at most. Remember most eligible voters don’t vote.

      EDIT: it’s also worth noting that many can’t vote. Like voting day not being a public holiday and they cant get off work, mail-in not being available, public transport not being free on voting day, or simply being purged from voting rolls.

      • iglou@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        4 days ago

        Not voting when the stakes are this high is as shitty as voting for Trump. Plus approval statistics don’t care if you voted or not.

        If anything, more than half of Americans suck at this point.

        • SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          4 days ago

          It’s also worth noting that many americans are prevented from voting. Cannot get time off work, polling station too far, mail in not available, purged from voter roll.

          It’s still crazy to me that voting day is not a public holiday in the US and that all public transport is not free on that day.

          • iglou@programming.dev
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            edit-2
            4 days ago

            In France voting day is always a Sunday to prevent issues like this. It seems very anti-democratic to not make sure that almost all the voting population can find the time for it.

      • monotremata@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 days ago

        Remember most eligible voters don’t vote.

        Voter turnout in the 2024 election was 63.7%. That’s still a lot of folks who didn’t vote, but it’s not “most.”