That was disturbing news to Angelica Jadunandan, who moved to New York from Florida with her two young daughters three years ago. Her older daughter, who is eight, is transgender, and Angelica wanted to move them to a safe blue state—somewhere her family’s medical care would not be called into question. New York is a self-declared “sanctuary state” for trans people. It seemed like a good option.

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    She’d have a childlike fat distribution. Her bones may fuse in an androgynous way. She’d not develop sexual desires. Her muscle structure would remain childlike. She’d be slower to adult bone density.

    Hell, all the mental and emotional changes that come with puberty at 16 she’ll be pretty late to all of that, but having to wait to 18 is taking two more years from it. Those are two years hanging out with peers and rebelling against parents. Of teenage angst. Of early dating at an age where it’s understood to probably go nowhere so you can make mistakes. It’s also two years of her body still feeling wrong, of clothes not fitting right, of not seeing the face she’s already jumped through so many hoops in pursuit of. It’s the entire lived experience of being 16 and not allowed to go through puberty for two more years unless you take the one you really don’t want.

    For someone who’s uncertain it may very well be a better decision than picking a puberty. But for someone who is certain and whose doctors believe seriously understands the choices being made it should be her choice

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      First, just want to say I am not a supporter of banning much of anything medically. Medical stuff is nearly always a case by case basis. I am just looking to better understand the subject in general, and to better understand the impact these choice may have made on my kids friend.

      Interesting points about muscle and bone. Being an engineer that is interesting to me, and I hadn’t thought about it. The fuse part is odd. Anymore info on that? Is bone fusing normally part of puberty or something?

      And on the same front, I know that puberty is associated with gaining maturity related to changes in the brain. Do puberty blockers supress any brain development? Doesn’t seem like it does, but I am not sure how it doesn’t, and my sample size is 1.

      The emotional stuff is rough. Everyone is different. Some have a supportive circle of friends and family, some don’t. That said, high school is rough all around. And kids are downright mean as they learn not to be. I would think that maybe 18 would be easier in some ways since most people have less interactions with people they would rather avoid once they are out of school. And in many workplaces at least some of the people are more mature and professional. But of course not going through any puberty at all will still generate ridicule in HS. So probably another case by case kind of thing. Also, random side observation. The kids seem to be doing less dating and such in HS than when I went. My sample size is only like 10, but it is consistent across all 10. When I went through, dating started in 7th grade. From the kids I have talked to, it stays pretty thin until 12th and sometimes 11th grade. Which I found pretty odd. That said, dating as a trans kid in high school seems like it would be super challenging and probably even more dangerous as a trans women. The boys have even less self control then men. So wouldn’t not having the desire be almost safer? And by the way, all your other emotional points are great points. Just like I said, I am curious, not trying to challenge with my questions.

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        Ah ok, sorry to take it wrongly, it can be hard to tell the difference between “why (curious)” and “why (change my mind)”, especially on topics like this.

        Bones fusing is a part of adolescence. And apparently I was wrong, puberty blockers do prevent it. Bone fusing is part of pubescent growth spurts and bone changes, but different bones fuse at different ages. I started hormones at 20 and caught a little bit of shifting of my hip bones because they’re among the last to fuse.

        And yeah I’ve got no idea if it impacts brain development. Unfortunately at this point it’s become hard to find reliable evidence because there’s a huge campaign against them. All I know is that the expert organizations (such as the American Academy of Pediatrics) seem to believe it to be worth any potential risks.

        And speaking as someone who went through puberty for the second time in college, just because your brain is more developed doesn’t mean you act like it while you’re having big pubescent emotions lol. I’d get into the same stupid fights with my mom I had years earlier, except worse because mom was hormonal too that time.

        And the high schoolers basically will all know. Speaking as a former high schooler, something like that a kid is trans is going to be known through the rumor mill, just like how we knew multiple closeted gay kids in my day. And to be blunt, I don’t think either scenario is going to spare this girl the risks of sexual violence, but that’s a personal suspicion.

        If she’s attracted to men (she most likely will be, trans people seem to be about equally likely to be straight, gay, or bi) she’s probably never going to have it easy dating them, though. And while yeah teenage boys can be worse, a 16 year old also has a lot less free reign in what kind of mistakes they can make than an 18 year old. At 18 she could go on tinder or to a college party with full force of “this is my first time being horny”. Hopefully her parents and such have given her the “dating men will be more dangerous for you than for cis women” talk.

        And for how to protect her in this regard the best thing imo is a friend group that’s protective of her. It feels simple to say, but if the boys in her school know that starting shit with her or hurting her will cause problems with other people, they’ll be less likely to do it, and more likely to stop after facing pushback.

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      I also think it’s worth saying here, that as various citizens not involved and for the government the question isn’t “what is the right choice”, but rather whether or not we should restrict the freedom of bodily autonomy for the teenager and the freedom of medical professionals to do what they believe is best for their patients. The neutral option is to not interfere in someone else’s medical choices.