So never.

In b4 tha headline “new hole just leaked”

Bruh if that were available today and electric and buy two

If this guy thinks its a threat, its probably where you should be putting your energy.

75%?

Duh…

Sam dismissing the power of the ring is maybe my favorite part of all of the books

Bruh just out here punching the air in an empty comment section of a shit posting sub

Go back to your echo chamber tankie. Nobody likes you. Nobody wants you. But I’m sure your fans enjoy your circle jerk.

Which actually existing current or historical leftist movements do you support?

Are you a fucking cop? Get the fuck out of here you loser. I’m sorry everyone hates you. But thats a you issue.

Hey I found the Tankie who thinks they’re on the left!

“For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.” ― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

Bruh tankies aren’t further left than me

US blockade

blockadn’t

More importantly, I kiss your mother with this mouth; but generally I’m not here to placate your sensibilities. You being utterly oblivious to reality is a you problem and if you want to tone police, go back to reddit.

Bernie and he still couldn’t fund a full war chest at a time with much better financial conditions for small donors

Are you an idiot? Like an actual “has paperwork about the matter” idiot?

Bernie didn’t lose because of fundraising. And every campaign since Bernies 2016 has practically carbon copied their approach to fundraising because what Bernie did was so preposterously effective. They redefined what is possible in politics because their approaches were so effective. Like you could not possibly have picked a worse example than Bernie for that point.

Second, and this is implicit in your statement, is the also wrong premise that more fundraising == more viable candidate. This is also not true. Yes modern political campaigns are more expensive but most raising != most likely to win candidate.

Yeah I don’t agree with that characterization what-so-ever and its one that seems completely oblivious to the actually politics and processes which have manifested in the modern Democratic party, outside of, and I agree with, that the party is multiple ideologies in a trenchcoat.

but an inability to raise the funds to support a coherent organization or run a campaign,

I mean this is just not fucking true. Just straight made up wholecloth.

but significant funding from corporate owners and the resources to manage a large, national scale organization.

What you think parties just drop in from the sky?

But also neither party is viable on its own because of the structure of the US electoral system.

Also, objectively not true. Mandami was opposed by both the DNC and the RNC.

but an inability to raise the funds to support a coherent organization or run a campaign,

Just… also not fucking true.

You should stop just shitting words out your ass.

It absolutely was. The skyrocketing unemployment - nearly 15% at its peak - left millions of people with nothing to do but protest. Unemployment waves and protest movements are practically joined at the hip.

Yeah but the point is the movement those people funneled into ended up being BLM (or BLM adjacent), because BLM was at its peak in terms of growth and organizing. Had it been 2009, maybe those same people funnel into Occupy Wallstreet. Call it happenstance of history, and I’m not saying that BLM was borne of a whistle and milk from a thistle at twilight the year of 2019. But it was present when people had the time to take to the streets. And my point that the BLM agenda didn’t find its way into electoralism until ~2018-2020 is the primary point. It took 10 years, but in 2020, it became a central primary issue among Democrats. The points of grievance found their way into the presidential platform in the 2020 election.

I might argue that the anti-Vax movement saved Republicans more than BLM won it for Democrats.

I think to be charitable we’d have to call it a wash. It was practically the same forces funneling people into both movements, and like you said, in-spite of both sides getting more turnout, the resulting victories were marginal. So I come back to the first point, that Trumps government and management of COVID becomes the theme. And if they had just… not been such moron, if they had even been nominally competent, I think Trump wins the 2020 election handily.

I’d call 2020 the “COVID election”, as the defining issue of that period was how to respond to the pandemic. Dems would have still won in a landslide without a BLM movement, in the same way Obama won in 2008, and for much the same reasons. The economic downturn pumped up angry anti-incumbent voters and turned out more apathetic centrists for Biden than MAGA shitheads. Israel was barely on the radar.

I think you bring up some good points, but it wasn’t COVID putting hundreds of thousands into the streets on a weekly basis. But also, it kind-of was, in that there was at least some financial support people were getting for a brief period of time, and this allowed them to fully express their politics. The amount of 2016 versus 2020 BLM protests; its not even comparable. 2016 BLM was still coming together as a movement; it built its strongest momentum from 2017-19, and 2020 it peaked. Those politics directly translated into what issues were being discussed during the primary, and subsequently the national campaign. It was the 2020 election where BLM’s set of grievances found their way into campaigns as campaign promises/ discussion points on debate stages/ etc.

Without BLM providing outside pressure in the form of movement politics, I don’t think Dem’s win in 2020. I also don’t think Dem’s win in 2020 without Trumps utterly failed COVID response. If they (T*) would have just, not been so fucking stupid/ hamfisted by leaning into the anti-vax shit, inject bleach shit, they could have taken credit for the CDC rapid response; even a barely competent political actor should have been able to manage this.

TLDR, the Dem’s barely won in 2020 and without BOTH COVID and BLM, there is no practical way they could have won. Even with both in play, Trumps own incompetence could arguably have been the most impactful factor.