I can still feel some kind of emotion through it.

Ok, I’m pretty sure seeing a sunset behind a forest will also give you a kind of emotion as well. Who is the artist there?

Art is like a greasy mirror, there may be some intent there by the artist, but mostly you see yourself and your own feelings in the work.

Also, the AI generated music doesn’t come from nothing, someone is communicating an idea to the computer which then, based on as much human music as it has consumed, tries to give back something that sounds like what the original person intended. it’s not just a magic “music button”.

So with the AI music, there’s an expression and emotion you can feel coming from the original person (alongside the thousands of other people whose work has been fed into the machine)

If you don’t like it sure.

You also are trying to make the point that people “suddenly” care just because it’s AI even though you reference nearly 50 year drama in the same post

I guess to try to make myself clearer, the technological drama I’m referencing went nowhere. That’s the point. The AI isn’t the big bad, people are.

Not that you seem to actually want to accomplish anything other than making some grand proclamation about society

Yeah. That’s the point of the ramblings : pop music has been shit, and when you pointed it out before AI, it was “hurr hurr it’s your opinion, who is it harming?” (and the answer is: people who actually give a shit about music) , but somehow, attaching the same slop generating human behaviour to a new piece of technology makes it seem like the end of the world. Where was this fucking enthusiasm before?

There’s a clear difference, and your strategy of throwing artists under the bus isn’t going to accomplish anything

I’m hoping that people stop regarding slop pop and people putting up a banana into a museum as “art” and start actually listening to decent music. It’s also an intellectual black hole when people look at a “100% human” piece of slop and call it the greatest thing since sliced bread, and as soon as a piece of technology enters the picture, start vomiting uncontrollably.

The idea is drawing paralels to already established bullshit that’s been “putting musicians out of business”. A person doing a DJ set for a “live gig” like Skrillex should be seen as putting musicians out of business if this stupid elevator music tier AI BS is being put up on spotify. Compare and contrast Skrillex with modern Igorrr, he has like 4 people on stage with him doing a DJ set, Skrillex (or insert solo DJ "performer here) is just alone on stage.

They had the same fear with synthesisers, “who needs a trumpet or flute player when the Moog synthesizer can do it all?! Look at it play an orchestra’s worth of sounds on “Switched on Bach”!”

I guess I need to put a signature or whatever on these AI posts : “my point isn’t that AI is awesome, it’s that human beings have been doing this shit long before neural net AIs came along to make this shit up”. The point of the post is “Nobody Cares If Music Is Real Anymore” My point is “They haven’t for fucking ages, why the tears now?”. It’s not “AI generated music great” , its “Humans have been making soulless slop forever”

Also : “Artists already made art worthless during the post modern era with Warhol and Pollock; what are you getting mad at software developers for?”

I thought it was “We only exist because of HFCS subsidies, our only claim to fame is ‘Slipknot is from here’”

Whose take, mine or hers?

Creating a game about golddiggers is useful, making it all about women only is sexist and dangerous.

Why? Most violent games have protagonists and antagonists that are full of men, with no women.

now, not to be an asshole, but I remember 1) talking to Colin before a Gorguts show in 2014 ish and 2) Hearing it confirmed in an interview.

Oh also, in the documentation for JMSL (Java Music Specification Language) its puropuse is to :

It is suited for algorithmic composition, live performance, and intelligent instrument design. At its heart is a polymorphic hierarchical scheduler, which means Java objects that are different from one another can be scheduled together and interact with each other in conceptually clean and powerful ways.

JMSL’s open-ended nature will reward your programming efforts and your creativity by offering you a rich toolkit for making music.

Just to beat on this idea a bit more, with JMSL you can make music based on experimental music theory, statistical processes, any algorithms you can implement… you can notate that music using JMSL Score, or leave it in the abstract. You can use Java’s networking tools to grab data off the Internet and sonify it. You can _________ (fill in the blank and start slingin’ code).

If you want to open a window with standard music staff notation and start entering notes, JMSL Score will let you do that as well. Straight out of the box. Later you can start writing your own custom note transformations, or generating musical material automatically, which JMSL Score will notate for you. Of course all music generated for and within JMSL Score can be mouse-edited, and transformed again!

https://www.algomusic.com/jmsl/download.html

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Rincewind : I looked at the book that was bound in chains and locks on a dare, now I can’t even learn any new spells, and I’ll cast the most powerful spell when I die.

A BRO!

just trying to contrast the use of synths to replace musicians that would have to perform with the DJ. Or drum machines, or whatever.

I wasn’t trying to contrast analog/digital synths, just “fake” instruments to “real” ones.

What’s the difference? Why isn’t it seen as a collaboration between the person writing the prompt (using a scripting language) and the programmer/designer of the generation software and curator of the Data set?

Your down votes are basically “programmers aren’t people”

Corporate pop has never been innovative; at its most Avant Garde it takes experimental aesthetics and crams them into tin pan alley song structures.

You deserve a better reply and I will write you one later, but…

Arctopus fucking rules but this take is hot as fuck my dude.

Bro, the song skullgrid was generated by a Java program that Colin and a programmer friend of his, possibly Mike , was working on. In 200X. You’ve been rocking out to AI generated music before you even realised. Brian Eno also had some music that was meant to be generated by an automated system, and afaik, so did John cage.

Edit : https://colinmarston.bandcamp.com/album/computer-music-2003-2004

the sounds were created in Wire, a program using Jsyn written by Phil Burk, which is a java-based synthesis engine. i created the scores in JMSLscore (a java-based scoring program by Nick Didkovsky). this allowed me to access sounds i created from scratch, but organize them with a traditional musical staff.
“Fore” became the warr guitar part for the song “Skullgrid” from BTA. the first 41 seconds: beholdthearctopus.bandcamp.com/album/skullgrid

Great, it fucked up. I have heard other people complain about this when I used it as an example, but I JUST NOW heard it too. Fucking whatever. If you actually care try again a few times. If you don’t whatever.

even if you don’t personally find it to your taste,

This is the bit that pisses me off though. Corporate music has always been soulless slop, and when you point it out “oh that’s just like your opinion man”.

To get philosophical, because that’s what the topic is; mathematics, life, human conciousness are based off similar patterns. Conway’s game of life demonstrates purely mathematical cellular automata; when you go down to the chemical level, life is cellular automata with chemicals, which give way to cells, and complex structures and human beings.

Corporate pop does the same fucking shit the godless AI does. People don’t sing, they don’t give a shit, and it’s just there as another piece of slop for idiots to fucking consume. It works in a similar way to the AI; it catches onto patterns, rigid bullshit defined by someone moron that says “hey, the millenial whoop is popular this decade, cram it into the songs we’re releasing for fiscal quarter 3”. “this year’s hot rhythmn is the reggeton clave, shove that in”. Then the zillionaire that teenage girls somehow get 1k dollars in order to see goes on stage , dances a bit and DOESN’T EVEN FUCKING SING.

The AI does the same shit “Oh, the guy put in sad, make it pianos and minor chords”. But now it’s not about fucking opinion, it’s a fucking abomination that must be extinguished. “It all sounds like slop” My brother in christ, have you heard 80s pop music?

It’s the same fucking pattern.

“oh noz, the AI is putting the real musicians out of bidness” Yeah, corporate pop doesn’t do anything like that. That’s why the greatest composers of our modern era have to manage touring schedules with working real fucking jobs and making losses on their tours, becuase fuck me, my opinion is worth fucking nothing. It’s the same thing. Fucking DJ sets are walking around using synths instead of analog instruments, but that wasn’t the crime putting honest musicians out of business, no, it’s the fucking guy in india typing in a generic description into sumo ai to turn a quick buck.

How do fake bands dominate spotify when regular ones don’t? It’s easy; corporate business practices mean that the business side of music (or any endevour, let’s fucking face it) is a zillion times more important than the actual musician aspect of music.

If this sounds like I’m on the side of AI; it’s not. The point is that it’s been too late for fucking decades, acting outraged about what’s happening now because it uses new tech is blaming the statistic department for rises in heatwaves.

no one has cared since record executives have been generating AI generated tier music by hand.

What’s the fucking difference between a rich asshole comissioning music based around market resarch, to be made by some trendy female popstar, written by five different men, the singing gets autotuned, punch clock studio musicians play generic chord progressions and melodies, and it’s all straight ahead 4/4

At least with imaginative gen AI, you can get cool stuff like Pho-que

If you dislike Pho-que, you’ll probably dislike the human counterparts like Shining (Nor) or Naked City

It’s not meant to be.
I/we shit on America’s residents a lot, but there are several things to be proud of as a decent American. Start with Ben Franklin.

The tagline makes it even funnier

Yes, fuck milei.

But seriously, the Kirchners are a hive of scum and villainy, it’s hardly better to associate yourself with them.